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and Frank here with another episode of

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UFO news network Sunday from

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Philadelphia we've got a very special

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show for you today at Nimitz Encounters

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super panel with a huge selection of

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guests all of them special in their own

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way let me bring you on my co-host chant

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Hannah to do the honors of introducing

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our fantastic panel for today thank you

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Frank how are you doing today doing just

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well ready to go we're ready for this

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one yep we have a great mega panel

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regarding the USS Prince and then the

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USS Nimitz I did want to mention I

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already interviewed Dave Beatty and that

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will be a special report which will be a

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part two to this and I'm gonna go ahead

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and start introducing our guests on to

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our panel now rich Hoffman he has been a

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defense contractor for over 20 years

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working primarily for the Army Materiel

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Command a hue at the variety of

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companies currently mr. Hoffman is an

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enterprise architect working at Redstone

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Arsenal and the Marshall Space Flight

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Center in Huntsville Alabama yeah yeah

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four years experience and investigations

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a research application star team manager

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and director of strategic projects as

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well as state director and MUFON and

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other organizations he is on the board

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of the Sun my identification for you AP

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studies also known as the SCU we have

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Gary P Borah he's his background is

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mechanical engineering and working as an

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electronic and RF technician he was a

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fire control man and aigis computer CEC

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technician in the United States Navy his

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responsibilities included operating

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maintaining and repairing various

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computers in support of the launching of

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the aegis weapon system and non EGIS

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sensor systems for the purpose of

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testing and evaluating experimental

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upgrades during his time on the USS

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Princeton he was tasked with the

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security and invention of top secret and

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classified materials including being

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trained to operate the W asp military

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recon UAV for the Pacific fleets during

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operation and in

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during freedom on the 14th of November

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2004 he was nigh witness to the USS

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Nimitz tick-tack event and it's aegis

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sorry I didn't mean to miss pronounce

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that thank you very much for correcting

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me on that

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PJ Hughes served in the Navy as an

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aviation electronics technician

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primarily on the e-tec Hawkeye ete to

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see Hawkeye and c2 a Greyhound airframes

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he left Navy in December 2010 as a

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first-class petty officer to work on the

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civilian side of military aviation

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employed as a technical representative

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for the et to C & E to D Hawkeye he

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spent his active duty time on both the

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east and west coast costs deploying in

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2003 Oh 405 haka and 2010 as an aviation

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electronics tech he was responsible for

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the avionics and weapons systems on

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board the Hawkeye these systems included

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an /us g3 cooperative engagement

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capability the aps 145 radar system and

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various other communications COMSEC and

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navigation equipment in November 2004

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Patrick was the second class Petty

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airborne early warning squadron the

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the Nimitz conducting air wing and

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battle group exercises while he did not

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directly witness the tic-tock anomaly he

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adds to the events at November when he

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describes how to USAF officers along

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with his commanding officer confiscated

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his classified recordings from an e TC e

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to see Hawkeye that witnessed the

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tick-tock PJ is also privileged to share

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the events described to him by close

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friend and another Navy sailor who was

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airborne in the Hawkeye and witness a

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tic-tac form up with the e-2c during

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flight we'll hear a little bit more

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about that from pj talking points up

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Jason Turner Jason was stationed on

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board the USS Princeton from 2001 205 he

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worked in supply and changed jobs in

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since then he has completed two

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additional deployments to Iraq where he

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worked as a Customs and Border Patrol

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agent and a prison guard he was an

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eyewitness to the tick-tack event and

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was able to view the original unedited

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virgin version of the Fleur video from

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sses which is the ship signal

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exploitation space following the initial

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contact Kevin day a retired United

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States Navy senior chief petty officer a

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former Operations Specialist and Top Gun

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air intercept controller with more than

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20 years experience in Strike Group air

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defense including wartime operations an

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expert operator in the highly advanced

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spy-1 radar system with years of service

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on board aegis equipped ships including

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Vincent chosen and Princeton Kevin has

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logged hundreds of air - intercepts of

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suspect aircraft in both train training

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and wartime operations it was Kevin's

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team in Princeton's combat Information

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Center that has discovered the fleet's

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of anomalous air contacts welcome

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everybody this show and bring enrich as

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well yes I did actually read Rich's bio

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welcome everybody this show Thank You

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Chanda this is Kevin great to be here

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with y'all thanks mates

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hey thanks for having us on this is Gary

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hey Gary hey rich yep rich has been on

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many of our panels that we've had how

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has the experience been for you all

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since the Nimitz case has gone public I

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wanted to start with you Gary how has

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the experience been for you since the

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Nimitz case has gone public well first

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off it was pretty primarily completely

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positive I've been able to get in touch

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with a lot of my old shipmates you know

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it's it's pretty much blown up at this

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point mainstream on History Channel on

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and held even the news so it's kind of

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vindicating for me other than that I

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just you know I'm glad that I was able

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to you know back up my shipmates and you

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don't let everybody know that these

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events do occur on

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regular basis and you know we need to

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really find out what they are and for

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you Jason how's the experience been for

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you since the nimitz case has gone

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public it's been quite interesting

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a lot of like I'll piggyback on what

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Gary said it's a vindication and you

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know we're I think we're all thankful

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that it's finally come out and we're

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able to talk about it openly about being

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looked upon as you know what are you

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talking about what yeah it's been it's

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been good it's been positive and you

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know I'm thankful that that we finally

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all are able to get here and talk about

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it how about for you PJ same as the

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other guys it's been it's been pretty

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positive closest apart and and like Gary

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I've got a lot of a lot of guys I know

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stationed with that and it's kind of you

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know in the gaps in my memory with Stan

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it's been nice to meet you guys in

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Princeton we believe formed tight little

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group it's kind of it's good that this

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is all getting out into mainstream we

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have Kevin day with us Kevin how has it

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been for you since the Nimitz case has

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gone public personally it's been

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absolutely amazing experience I can't

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even believe that this is happening

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chant the best part for me is reuniting

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with my former shipmates and a lot of

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the new friends that I've met since this

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has all come out publicly it's just an

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amazing thing that we're witnessing and

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what I want people to know is this

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really did happen these things were

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really real

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thank you yeah brich I wanted to ask you

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something and that was the scientific

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coalition for you AP studies the SCU

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they did a special report on the Nimitz

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case can you please share a little bit

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about that report oh sure well let me

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give you a little bit of insight and how

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we even got involved in the first place

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Robert Powell had happened to be reading

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the fighter suite article that was like

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you know going back to I think 2015 or

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something like that and

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managed to look into that case there

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were a lot of names or on it and of

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course we've been investigating UFOs for

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a very long time I've been I've been an

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addict for 55 years and so it's been a

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quite a ride but but anyway nevertheless

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you know Robert took it upon himself and

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started to look into it and document it

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and then from that he started reaching

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out I think he cabin I think he reached

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out to you like in a January time frame

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if I'm not mistaken for an interview and

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I think you are one of the first ones

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that we actually talked with and then I

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we were all doing our own research in

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terms of trying to find out how we can

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get a hold of crew members because that

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was important and I happened to come

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across a Facebook page that was

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dedicated to it and I started like

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talking with Kevin and a number of

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others that were you know we're trying

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to like find out what we could you know

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and it was great that they had done that

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in a facebook forum because it allowed

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us to be able to you know try to reach

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out and and start to get their their

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story which was very critical and so we

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we started collecting all the

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information we get and then over a

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period of time we started to assemble a

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report that that involved there were

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three prime primary authors with that

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Robert Powell wrote the first actually

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the report and then we have a whole

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bunch of appendices that are attached to

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it and that was done by Larry Cates who

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did the work on the video and then you

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also have Peter reality that was doing

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the who did the physics and then I took

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several sections because I work in the

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DoD and I could get information about

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that a lot of the equipment aboard the

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the carrier group if you would and

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started collecting that kind of

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technical data on it as well as trying

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to put together a like a glossary and

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and then in that type of thing so we all

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kind of pitched in and there were a

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whole bunch of others believe it or not

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that did some renderings as well but

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over a period of time we took us about

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two years to assemble this 270 page

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report and what the important point

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for us and this is why this particular

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case is so very important is that and I

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mean mind you there's the tic-tac in

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this thing

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doesn't perform any different than what

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I experience with UFOs back in the 55

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years ago meaning they could go from a

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standstill to instantaneous acceleration

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they could go vertical they could go and

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do all these types of things they did it

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without sound they did it without all

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that other stuff and we've occasionally

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had radar contacts and radar tracks that

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are that are out there that on these

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objects doing incredible maneuvers as

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well but what we'd never had was the

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sheer amount of involvement and data

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from current technologies like we are

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now

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and so in the s use perspective you

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don't you don't just dismiss these cases

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and not spend time on them you spend

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years analyzing this data and trying to

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get it and that's pretty much what we've

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done and so that's pretty much it

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chant and and I've had the pleasure of

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getting to know these guys and they're

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all incredible I and and one other thing

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I just want to mention and this is the

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important thing so many UFO cases that

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I've looked into over the period of

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years that I've been doing this and

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investigating of thousands of cases you

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know it's a life altering event when you

290
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have this experience of seeing these

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kind of objects it really does it

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changes your life your perspective and

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I'm I know that this group has grown

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closer which is very very important and

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at the same time you know they're all

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starting to remember other things or you

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know making corrections to their initial

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testimonies and that's okay I want to

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reassure them that it's okay like for

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example we thought that this was the

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comp 2x well it was at ETS a it would

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that was an activity before the comp 2x

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so I mean there's those details in our

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report that are still changing you know

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and it's because the story keeps

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changing but it it comes about in the

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sense that these people are all now

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getting together and we're

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oh yeah this is what happened oh yeah

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that's right and they start to have

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those memories come back to them and so

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that's very critical and I just want to

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applaud them for keeping and hanging in

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there and they are an incredible group

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of people that have helped the entire

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phenomena in ways that I can't even

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begin to express I've been at this for a

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long time and I've been waiting for

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something like this to happen and it did

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and I'm just it's altered my life so I

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rich yeah real quick would you regard

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I'm eeen you know we've had other cases

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that are pretty dynamic you know if you

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took a look at the Iranian case that

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involved two f42 f-4s that were

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scrambled out of Tehran that had all

327
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kinds of data with it as well you've had

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other like incredible cases over nuclear

329
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silos which we all saw an unidentified

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that were talked about but I mean the

331
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the credibility of all these guys the

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credibility of all the witnesses the the

333
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incredible amount of technology that was

334
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involved the the aegis system and the

335
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capability of the CEC and and all that

336
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stuff it's absolutely incredible so yeah

337
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I would Frank yep I would agree with

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that that most definitely and obviously

339
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for the guys it's a top all-time one

340
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case I would say I would suspect but

341
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Kevin now let's get over to you you were

342
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manning the radar on the Princeton and

343
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for a long time you know people have

344
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been following the UFO field I've always

345
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heard skeptics say well where is the

346
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physical evidence where is the physical

347
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evidence

348
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that we're on the Princeton and tell us

349
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a little bit about if you could it might

350
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be a little tough on short notice but

351
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that tell us a little bit about that

352
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just basically how radar works and why

353
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it is such strong evidence that

354
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something was actually there that they

355
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you were tracking a real object flying

356
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around and not performing all these

357
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otherworldly maneuvers

358
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yeah and just a little background on

359
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that first and we'll get into some of

360
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the details of the radar and Gary can

361
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help me on this too when we'll keep this

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all at the unclassified level of course

363
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your

364
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right around the 10th of November play

365
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in the Navy so it's kind of a it was

366
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kind of a trip down memory lane for me I

367
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was doing a lot of reminisce and I went

368
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up to combat and I noticed he's really

369
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weird context on the radar in what I

370
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mean by that there were office in

371
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Clemente Island I believe there were six

372
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of them at a time in a in a group in a

373
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formation if you will and they were at

374
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28,000 feet going 100 knots which in

375
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itself is very strange never seen

376
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anything like that and everyone that was

377
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looking around that was it was pretty I

378
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know we were all looking at him like you

379
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know what the heck could be in the air

380
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just doing 100 knots

381
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I mean without falling out of the sky

382
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absolutely Gary you know you know I

383
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didn't conform to anything known I mean

384
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they weren't obviously civilian

385
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airliners they weren't helicopters was

386
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not ice particles from space it wasn't a

387
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flock of geese it was none of those

388
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things so you know I wasn't concerned

389
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that they were a threat at all because

390
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they weren't threatening in any way they

391
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just happened to be in the space in fact

392
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they could have been something

393
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completely unrelated to what we were

394
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doing

395
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totally civilian oriented and we had no

396
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business even messing with them in fact

397
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that was my intention now although I

398
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wanted to intercept them because I'm

399
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kind of a type 8 guy that way especially

400
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was gonna be my last underway we were

401
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gonna do a air defense exercise on the

402
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14th

403
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so is biding my time and we continue to

404
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track these things and they appeared in

405
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groups between five and ten over a

406
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couple of days so command captive Smith

407
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comes down to combat I said hey sir

408
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we're gonna launch a bunch of aircraft

409
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off the aircraft carrier to do this

410
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error defense exercise that we call an

411
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8x and I strongly recommend that we

412
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intercept one of these guys that we're

413
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seeing higher because if we don't and

414
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there's a an air-to-air miss half of

415
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some kind somebody is gonna ask us why

416
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we were so damn and curious about it he

417
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said you know what senior chief you're

418
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right go find one of them so that's

419
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exactly what we did we went and found

420
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one of them and that puppy dropped out

421
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of the sky from 28,000 feet down to the

422
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surface of the ocean in less than one

423
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second and from that look that moment

424
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probably changed the course of history

425
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and you ballpark the speed from I gone

426
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from 28,000 feet down base

427
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the ocean level what what kind of speed

428
00:19:17,410 --> 00:19:13,940
did you come up with it tracks out to

429
00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:17,420
about 22,000 miles per hour and by oh by

430
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the way the current ever speed record is

431
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about 10% of that 2200 miles per hour so

432
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ever whatever this thing was totally

433
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kicked our butts if you will and Gary

434
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:30,590
you were jumping in a little bit there

435
00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:33,890
why don't you follow up on what Kevin

436
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:36,530
was talking about and then one of the

437
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one of the common questions that I've

438
00:19:43,390 --> 00:19:40,460
had before that kinda clear up is that

439
00:19:45,550 --> 00:19:43,400
when objects do this and they're just

440
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reactionary and they're in the way that

441
00:19:50,770 --> 00:19:47,540
they react to us and they're not

442
00:19:52,510 --> 00:19:50,780
actually pursuing us or engaging us with

443
00:19:55,390 --> 00:19:52,520
like active radar they're not actually

444
00:19:58,690 --> 00:19:55,400
considered a current threat that we

445
00:19:59,710 --> 00:19:58,700
would go and engage because a lot of

446
00:20:01,660 --> 00:19:59,720
people like why didn't we shoot them

447
00:20:03,910 --> 00:20:01,670
down why did you chase after and why

448
00:20:06,660 --> 00:20:03,920
didn't you try to why'd you try to get

449
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:06,670
them well they don't pose a threat so

450
00:20:12,430 --> 00:20:09,170
when you have rules of engagement you

451
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:12,440
generally can't fire upon unless you

452
00:20:18,100 --> 00:20:14,690
know so they fire upon you or you they

453
00:20:19,540 --> 00:20:18,110
have an active look it's going to be you

454
00:20:27,730 --> 00:20:19,550
know something an octave luck meaning

455
00:20:33,010 --> 00:20:27,740
their radar to locate what you or

456
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:33,020
something of that nature and now as a

457
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:34,250
matter of fact if I could describe the

458
00:20:45,820 --> 00:20:36,650
behavior of those things yes go ahead

459
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:45,830
please they they they behave like some

460
00:20:49,530 --> 00:20:47,600
super capable flock of birds if you will

461
00:20:52,690 --> 00:20:49,540
like they just wanted to be left alone

462
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and want nothing to do with this um when

463
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commander flavor did his now-famous

464
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intercept that object he pursued down to

465
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the surface of the water when he left

466
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the scene there that object popped back

467
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out from the surface of the water to

468
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twenty eight thousand feet and continued

469
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tracking south at a hundred and knots as

470
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nifty as if nothing fun had just

471
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happened at all they just wanted to be

472
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left alone and this this this whole lot

473
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this whole notion of this thing seemed

474
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in like a migrating whatever is now

475
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turned into a proposed expedition in

476
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November of 2020 there's a group of us

477
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some

478
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distinguished physicists and scientists

479
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and I'm probably the most uneducated one

480
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there in the group so far but we're

481
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proposing to anchor off San Clemente

482
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Island in since now we know when to

483
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expect these things in the sky because

484
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we think they're related to well

485
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migration if you will the whales migrate

486
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from Catalina down to Guadalupe Island

487
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every November and it's just a hunch but

488
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we're gonna go out there where you

489
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listen to hydrophones we're gonna watch

490
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a night vision and we're gonna try to

491
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correlate well songs with the appearance

492
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of UAP well probably wrong but just

493
00:22:00,790 --> 00:21:57,800
imagine just imagine it from the right

494
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:00,800
yeah yeah exactly exactly and it'll be a

495
00:22:05,980 --> 00:22:03,290
great trip regardless so what it'd be

496
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this is rich one of the things about the

497
00:22:11,050 --> 00:22:08,270
frothing of the water were the tic-tac

498
00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:11,060
was above it was that a lot of people

499
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were speculating initially that it was

500
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probably a whale so with you now

501
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,590
injecting the fact that there's a

502
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relationship or correlation maybe

503
00:22:25,390 --> 00:22:22,490
between Wales and stuff like that or

504
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whale migrations that's that's kind of

505
00:22:30,370 --> 00:22:27,170
interesting correlation I'd like to see

506
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that but especially when we have objects

507
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all over you know the ocean one of the

508
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questions that I had and I don't know

509
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where we got we lost the bubble on it

510
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but I know that when we did our

511
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calculations and su we were going and

512
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doing a lot of that from 80,000 feet

513
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down to 28,000 feet and I don't know if

514
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that was because the story changed or

515
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what I originally didn't hear the 28,000

516
00:23:00,690 --> 00:22:57,980
feet being discussed I always thought

517
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that we were measuring the 0.78 seconds

518
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as being from an eighty thousand foot

519
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:05,810
drop but somehow we got that I think

520
00:23:09,220 --> 00:23:07,490
wrong so going back to that our

521
00:23:13,090 --> 00:23:09,230
calculations are a little bit more on

522
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speed because we did an eighty thousand

523
00:23:20,620 --> 00:23:17,840
to a twenty thousand foot drop and it

524
00:23:22,990 --> 00:23:20,630
came up a little bit different but

525
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:23,000
anyway I just want to check with you on

526
00:23:29,650 --> 00:23:28,010
their comment on that if I could so yeah

527
00:23:31,870 --> 00:23:29,660
perspective of the different watch

528
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:31,880
standers uh theater ballistic missile

529
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:34,850
defense watch tenders tend to watch real

530
00:23:39,220 --> 00:23:36,890
high in the sky real high altitudes

531
00:23:40,510 --> 00:23:39,230
and that was just not my situational

532
00:23:42,010 --> 00:23:40,520
awareness at all my I tend to focus

533
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:42,020
right down you know and their altitude

534
00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:45,770
lots for aircraft tend to fly so I I

535
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,230
wasn't aware of myself of the 80th out I

536
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:49,520
wasn't aware that they were coming from

537
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:52,850
space eighty thousand feet intelligence

538
00:23:58,270 --> 00:23:55,130
about several months ago which is the

539
00:23:59,320 --> 00:23:58,280
testimony yeah and just to jump in with

540
00:24:02,680 --> 00:23:59,330
a little factoid

541
00:24:04,750 --> 00:24:02,690
the only man-made object I've ever seen

542
00:24:07,660 --> 00:24:04,760
associated with speeds that high up in

543
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:07,670
that 20 mm at miles per hour range has

544
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:11,120
been a spacecraft in orbit I don't know

545
00:24:15,850 --> 00:24:12,559
if I rich you've got to any other

546
00:24:18,250 --> 00:24:15,860
details on anything along those lines I

547
00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:18,260
think during re-entry some of these

548
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:20,150
objects when they're coming back down to

549
00:24:24,430 --> 00:24:22,010
earth like the shuttle or some of the

550
00:24:26,140 --> 00:24:24,440
you know the older craft like the apollo

551
00:24:28,900 --> 00:24:26,150
craft and all that they might have hit

552
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:28,910
you know up in that 17 18 thousand miles

553
00:24:32,350 --> 00:24:31,250
an hour range i just think yeah they

554
00:24:33,610 --> 00:24:32,360
come in from reentry

555
00:24:35,020 --> 00:24:33,620
so that that's the kind of thing that

556
00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:35,030
we're talking about that no test

557
00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:36,169
vehicles that I'm aware of

558
00:24:40,659 --> 00:24:39,110
I've ever hit those kind of speeds the

559
00:24:42,130 --> 00:24:40,669
other key thing there Frank is that you

560
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:42,140
know when we yeah and you're absolutely

561
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:43,850
right and so what happens when we get

562
00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:46,690
like at 17,000 feet dropping down into

563
00:24:51,850 --> 00:24:49,790
you know from space and coming into land

564
00:24:55,210 --> 00:24:51,860
if you would is you still that heating

565
00:24:57,250 --> 00:24:55,220
up of the air right yep and and so we

566
00:24:59,440 --> 00:24:57,260
don't have that with a stick tack or

567
00:25:01,870 --> 00:24:59,450
these objects that where they're moving

568
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:01,880
at these speeds and there's no

569
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:05,210
indication of any heating whatsoever if

570
00:25:09,850 --> 00:25:07,730
you take a look at it so I mean even on

571
00:25:11,470 --> 00:25:09,860
the the FLIR when the object shoots off

572
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:11,480
to the left and stuff like that you

573
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:14,450
would see some indication of atmospheric

574
00:25:18,909 --> 00:25:16,010
heating but so that means that they're

575
00:25:20,860 --> 00:25:18,919
not really impacted at all by the

576
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:20,870
atmosphere yeah and that air friction

577
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:23,330
really heats up but just again another

578
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:26,330
example from a days gone by when they

579
00:25:31,930 --> 00:25:29,570
were getting up you know breaking Mach

580
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,940
one and all that back in the day they

581
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:33,679
knew that they couldn't use aluminum

582
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:35,330
which was a lighter metal than the steel

583
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:36,799
that they used on that something like

584
00:25:41,470 --> 00:25:39,410
that the x1 for example they weren't

585
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:41,480
able to use a aluminum because aluminum

586
00:25:45,580 --> 00:25:43,370
just isn't strong enough that air

587
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,590
friction literally melts the metal melts

588
00:25:48,820 --> 00:25:47,600
the aluminum so would that rule that out

589
00:25:50,890 --> 00:25:48,830
as any kind of

590
00:25:53,140 --> 00:25:50,900
a structural metal for some of these

591
00:25:54,910 --> 00:25:53,150
more advanced crafts as we were building

592
00:25:56,890 --> 00:25:54,920
our faster planes you know through the

593
00:26:00,400 --> 00:25:56,900
late 40s and into the 50s and that where

594
00:26:04,420 --> 00:26:00,410
we're all at today and the sr-71 as an

595
00:26:06,460 --> 00:26:04,430
example this is that titanium four on

596
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:06,470
their bodies because again it's strong

597
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:09,490
enough it doesn't melt so there's that

598
00:26:16,810 --> 00:26:12,050
yeah and they would even heat up

599
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:16,820
tremendously in fact you know we we saw

600
00:26:22,210 --> 00:26:20,570
repeatedly situations where when they

601
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,220
land you know and then they cool off

602
00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:24,320
there's a differences a difference or

603
00:26:28,090 --> 00:26:26,750
expansion that happens yep in fact they

604
00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:28,100
were leaking they were leaking yeah they

605
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:31,430
new leak like sibs exactly and then when

606
00:26:35,620 --> 00:26:33,110
that when they hit top speed the metal

607
00:26:37,030 --> 00:26:35,630
expands and it you know closes off the

608
00:26:42,670 --> 00:26:37,040
leaking all the leaking of the fuel

609
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:42,680
right okay so yeah now I Gary and the

610
00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:44,930
Kevin you actually were able to go on

611
00:26:49,540 --> 00:26:47,990
board were you both on the same ship and

612
00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:49,550
now looking through a a pair of a

613
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:51,620
heavy-duty mounted binoculars that that

614
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:52,910
were on the ship and actually saw the

615
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:54,850
tic-tacs ourselves is that about right

616
00:26:59,560 --> 00:26:56,960
yes that's correct

617
00:27:06,220 --> 00:26:59,570
we were both able to because we have

618
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:06,230
access to actually figure out just about

619
00:27:09,910 --> 00:27:08,210
where they were and then basically go up

620
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:09,920
and look in that general direction to

621
00:27:14,410 --> 00:27:12,710
see if we could see them I I got to see

622
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:14,420
just basically small lights in the

623
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:17,690
distance moving at weird you know it's

624
00:27:23,050 --> 00:27:20,650
it's a light show back and forth and

625
00:27:25,330 --> 00:27:23,060
doing a it's a little dance back and

626
00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:25,340
forth and I know Kevin he was able to

627
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:27,320
see some stuff and then we have another

628
00:27:34,450 --> 00:27:30,410
shipmate that was just on TV that saw an

629
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:34,460
entire fleet of them and looking at

630
00:27:38,980 --> 00:27:36,650
looking through the binoculars roughly

631
00:27:41,470 --> 00:27:38,990
was was what you saw basically what

632
00:27:44,410 --> 00:27:41,480
they're the size of a bright star that

633
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:44,420
kind of size can you give our folks at

634
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:47,930
home an idea of how big what you saw was

635
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:49,910
through the view that you were able to

636
00:27:59,889 --> 00:27:57,310
I went up to combat was the evening

637
00:28:01,629 --> 00:27:59,899
after the 14th commander flavors

638
00:28:04,299 --> 00:28:01,639
intercept and of course now I'm

639
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,309
convinced we'd intercepted UFOs and it

640
00:28:08,459 --> 00:28:06,080
was like hell yeah interest for the UFO

641
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:08,469
my very last intercept in the name I

642
00:28:13,659 --> 00:28:11,090
wanted to see these things with my own

643
00:28:15,609 --> 00:28:13,669
eyes so lo and behold there was another

644
00:28:17,469 --> 00:28:15,619
group on the radar and I just happened

645
00:28:20,379 --> 00:28:17,479
to pick the closest one I quick like a

646
00:28:23,499 --> 00:28:20,389
bunny ran up to the up there on the

647
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:23,509
bridge where the big guy but not oculars

648
00:28:26,619 --> 00:28:24,710
are located and I was up on the

649
00:28:28,419 --> 00:28:26,629
starboard side looked in that piece of

650
00:28:32,649 --> 00:28:28,429
sky which is one of my skill sets I

651
00:28:34,539 --> 00:28:32,659
often we part of my job description is

652
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,549
to be able to correlate visual reports

653
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:37,039
with radar so I'm absolutely convinced

654
00:28:40,239 --> 00:28:38,690
to what I saw in the sky was indeed the

655
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:40,249
radar our contact that was on the screen

656
00:28:44,859 --> 00:28:42,769
and I have to tell you all I saw was a

657
00:28:46,629 --> 00:28:44,869
boring white light in fact I was so

658
00:28:49,959 --> 00:28:46,639
disappointed that I went back down to

659
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,969
combat yeah it was a bit anti-climatic

660
00:28:54,430 --> 00:28:52,399
but it was he saying that we saw it's

661
00:28:58,539 --> 00:28:54,440
not a physical object this is Gary again

662
00:29:02,019 --> 00:28:58,549
by the way and it kind of kind of like

663
00:29:04,299 --> 00:29:02,029
you ever see one of those tap lights you

664
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,309
know like you put you put somewhere and

665
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:06,799
you tap and it's got that kind of offset

666
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:09,289
kind of glow not quite a direct light or

667
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,609
anything like that that's kind of what

668
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:12,320
it felt like at a distance you know kind

669
00:29:16,829 --> 00:29:14,210
of like seeing a street like from you

670
00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:16,839
know 830 miles away

671
00:29:22,029 --> 00:29:19,700
see any colors always I was a just a

672
00:29:24,459 --> 00:29:22,039
boring white light kind of a glow

673
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,469
actually thing I'd love the opportunity

674
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,960
here from PJ Hughes and Jason Turner if

675
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,159
you all want to jump in on the

676
00:29:32,889 --> 00:29:31,039
discussion that would be great to share

677
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:32,899
any of your experiences regarding the

678
00:29:48,639 --> 00:29:42,710
topic at hand yeah there's a microphone

679
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,649
on mute good Patrick unlike the other

680
00:29:54,249 --> 00:29:50,960
guys I never actually saw the tic-tac I

681
00:29:56,109 --> 00:29:54,259
never saw radar tracks I never saw the

682
00:30:01,450 --> 00:29:56,119
video till it was released to the public

683
00:30:04,329 --> 00:30:01,460
and everybody outside what I had to deal

684
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,339
with was the day of favor flight we had

685
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:07,520
a Hawkeye airborne the same haw

686
00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:16,370
I haven't took control of and when that

687
00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:19,700
flight came back Air Force officers who

688
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:21,260
as far as I know hadn't been on the ship

689
00:30:25,539 --> 00:30:23,450
before that appeared at my door my

690
00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:25,549
commanding officer asked him for our

691
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,940
removable hard drives off that flight so

692
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:34,480
we had to open up the safe give to him

693
00:30:43,149 --> 00:30:39,010
they took him left I never saw him again

694
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:43,159
Roger who was one of my co-workers is on

695
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:48,559
that Hawkeye well he signed an NDA can't

696
00:30:54,370 --> 00:30:52,610
tell me the majority of what they did

697
00:30:59,649 --> 00:30:54,380
briefed about or what they were talking

698
00:31:02,220 --> 00:30:59,659
about or what they saw but what he did

699
00:31:04,539 --> 00:31:02,230
share was that the tic-tac did indeed

700
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:04,549
form up with the Hawkeye for very brief

701
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:08,240
time and that they saw it that's about

702
00:31:17,289 --> 00:31:13,850
all he was gonna tell me uh yeah let me

703
00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:17,299
jump in here real quick with PJ PJ yeah

704
00:31:22,029 --> 00:31:19,340
you said that the the Air Force guys

705
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:22,039
that got onto the ship in a fairly short

706
00:31:27,159 --> 00:31:24,710
order after the Hawkeye landed idea of

707
00:31:29,380 --> 00:31:27,169
the ballpark is said to have quickly you

708
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:29,390
saw those guys after the e two landed I

709
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,720
mean roughly and that's I've kind of

710
00:31:35,289 --> 00:31:34,159
firmed up my timeline talking to

711
00:31:40,419 --> 00:31:35,299
somebody else actually in the last

712
00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:40,429
couple weeks when the plane lands we've

713
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:42,230
got a series of checks and stuff that we

714
00:31:46,930 --> 00:31:44,710
do to get the plane ready to fly again

715
00:31:48,430 --> 00:31:46,940
before I end up taking all those

716
00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:48,440
classified hard drives out of the plane

717
00:31:53,049 --> 00:31:51,320
go back downstairs into our shop the

718
00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:53,059
overall process was probably about 20

719
00:31:57,340 --> 00:31:55,100
minutes between me leaving the airplane

720
00:31:59,169 --> 00:31:57,350
getting down to my shop and maybe about

721
00:32:00,850 --> 00:31:59,179
another 10 minutes after that before

722
00:32:02,769 --> 00:32:00,860
they showed up my my door to grab stuff

723
00:32:05,169 --> 00:32:02,779
but probably about thirty minutes from

724
00:32:09,340 --> 00:32:05,179
when that plane landed till there were

725
00:32:11,620 --> 00:32:09,350
they to take the stuff so we had go

726
00:32:13,210 --> 00:32:11,630
ahead go ahead Richard this is rich I'm

727
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:13,220
just gonna ask about that because I was

728
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:16,370
always curious about the e-2c Hawkeye so

729
00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:19,490
they they didn't are you saying that

730
00:32:24,490 --> 00:32:21,350
they did pickups

731
00:32:25,899 --> 00:32:24,500
thing and they did try to track

732
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:25,909
something is that correct

733
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:30,710
um I don't know 100% sure yeah I know

734
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:33,679
the capability that radar well no ear

735
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:36,590
spy one quality I know II had it tuned

736
00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:40,730
and if if it was as close to them as

737
00:32:48,249 --> 00:32:44,840
they say was to see it they were

738
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:48,259
tracking it on radar but more

739
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:49,970
importantly what I the data I believe

740
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:51,730
they were actually after is tied into

741
00:33:00,759 --> 00:32:54,799
the CC system and the ESM system that

742
00:33:02,350 --> 00:33:00,769
were fire at that time I was always

743
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,360
curious about that because I kept

744
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:04,159
thinking live where is this hot tie that

745
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:06,769
it was so was it so far away that it

746
00:33:11,769 --> 00:33:08,210
couldn't capture it but you know I mean

747
00:33:13,749 --> 00:33:11,779
you think with the fact that its whole

748
00:33:20,889 --> 00:33:13,759
purpose is to be able to do this kind of

749
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:20,899
surreal oh it has to do with the

750
00:33:26,289 --> 00:33:23,330
differences between the Princeton's

751
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:26,299
radar and the hot guys radar the hot

752
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:27,769
guys later at that time was a search

753
00:33:37,930 --> 00:33:31,610
radar that's not meant for fire control

754
00:33:40,269 --> 00:33:37,940
it's a lot slower but plus the the fact

755
00:33:42,249 --> 00:33:40,279
that FCC onboard it would have been a

756
00:33:43,570 --> 00:33:42,259
blended view so they would have been

757
00:33:45,899 --> 00:33:43,580
able to tell the difference between

758
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:45,909
their own tracks and our tracks

759
00:33:52,299 --> 00:33:50,090
exactly alright well that's that helps

760
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:52,309
because I I never really could make ever

761
00:33:56,590 --> 00:33:53,679
figure that one out

762
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:56,600
alright well good and then I guess what

763
00:34:01,690 --> 00:33:58,250
I'm curious about when this thing came

764
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:01,700
back to the the cap point would it have

765
00:34:06,009 --> 00:34:04,370
been do you think that that's when it

766
00:34:09,069 --> 00:34:06,019
would have I mean would it have seen it

767
00:34:11,050 --> 00:34:09,079
then maybe or is that because the object

768
00:34:12,609 --> 00:34:11,060
shot back into the cap point which I

769
00:34:14,109 --> 00:34:12,619
thought was really curious and a lot of

770
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:14,119
us think that it's pretty curious that

771
00:34:20,169 --> 00:34:17,450
yeah it would know that number one and

772
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:20,179
number two be at the cap point and then

773
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:23,119
I would think that you know quite

774
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:25,250
possibly that you would start to have a

775
00:34:30,609 --> 00:34:27,679
little bit more visibility of that thing

776
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:30,619
as well so just kind of yeah I've heard

777
00:34:34,359 --> 00:34:32,839
of people to talk about you know they

778
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:34,369
were surprised about it knowing where

779
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:34,800
the cap

780
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:36,690
point is but my kind of point in that

781
00:34:41,090 --> 00:34:39,060
matter is if it's got this ridiculously

782
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,100
advanced technology to be able to move

783
00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:43,440
around like it does it's not too

784
00:34:46,490 --> 00:34:44,790
far-fetched to think that they could

785
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,500
just listen to our encrypted

786
00:34:51,260 --> 00:34:49,200
transmissions without without right yeah

787
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:51,270
just to explain that for the folks at

788
00:34:54,350 --> 00:34:52,740
home who might not be that familiar with

789
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:54,360
what you're talking about basically the

790
00:35:00,980 --> 00:34:57,920
other two the two Jet's a flew out

791
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:00,990
intercepted the UFO the UFO took off and

792
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:04,050
then they had a pre-arranged meeting

793
00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:06,210
point the cap point basically a

794
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:09,060
rendezvous point prearranged and when

795
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:11,370
they went there to sort of regroup the

796
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:13,170
UFO was waiting for them at that point

797
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:15,300
so yeah that is our really interesting

798
00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:19,560
how about this case yeah and basically

799
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,720
just so the audience understands

800
00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:23,520
completely that cat point that we're

801
00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:25,380
calling it is actually a combat air

802
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:28,080
patrol points in the sky they're kind of

803
00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:30,090
arbitrary and we basically put them

804
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:32,070
around the strike group towards the

805
00:35:37,070 --> 00:35:34,410
direction of any notional threat and

806
00:35:38,410 --> 00:35:37,080
it's it's just a socialize point in the

807
00:35:42,590 --> 00:35:38,420
sky

808
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:42,600
know about and it's kind of just a

809
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:43,110
loader

810
00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:44,400
it's a loiter spot for the aircraft

811
00:35:51,140 --> 00:35:47,070
until they can get a vector or a mission

812
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:51,150
assignment and somehow that that thing

813
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,820
because I'll never forget the words from

814
00:35:57,860 --> 00:35:55,680
the a that error intercept controller

815
00:35:59,570 --> 00:35:57,870
out person they say hey sir he was

816
00:36:01,640 --> 00:35:59,580
talking to commander favored on the air

817
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:01,650
intercept control communications he was

818
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,510
like hey sir you're not gonna believe

819
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:05,280
this but that thing is now your cat

820
00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:07,410
point you know we were just followed by

821
00:36:12,260 --> 00:36:09,390
a stunned silence because that cat point

822
00:36:13,580 --> 00:36:12,270
was 60 miles away from where he was you

823
00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:13,590
know what there and it went there I

824
00:36:19,630 --> 00:36:17,070
don't know how fast but it was just that

825
00:36:23,540 --> 00:36:19,640
fast as quickly as I said it was there

826
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:23,550
and Jason can you air can you read me

827
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:26,820
Jason can you can you hear me yeah I got

828
00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:31,350
you okay yeah Jason you saw a unedited

829
00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:34,830
version of the FLIR video and tell us a

830
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:35,790
little bit about that in the

831
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:37,260
circumstances under which you saw it

832
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:39,810
yeah I was I was actually working in

833
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:43,650
supply and we basically they had an

834
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:47,680
order to change out some of the

835
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:50,320
pieces of the computers that we have up

836
00:36:55,860 --> 00:36:53,680
there so I went in to the cassettes

837
00:36:58,410 --> 00:36:55,870
which is a ship signal exploitation

838
00:37:03,740 --> 00:36:58,420
space and happened to look to the left

839
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:03,750
and there's this video rolling it was

840
00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:06,970
the O's 7 and 10 minutes long and a lot

841
00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:09,190
clearer than what you see now because

842
00:37:13,410 --> 00:37:10,630
now I think we have like a minute and a

843
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:13,420
half of video but it's real grainy it's

844
00:37:18,030 --> 00:37:15,040
real fuzzy it's hard to even read some

845
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:18,040
of the numbers on there but the original

846
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:24,370
video was a lot cleaner if you will got

847
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:26,770
it and did you see anything on there

848
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:29,290
that was interesting that is not in the

849
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,290
video that we've all seen no everything

850
00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:34,000
I mean other than like the protrusions

851
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:36,030
that are coming out of the bottom of the

852
00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:40,090
tic-tac I had recently saw a video where

853
00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:41,740
I thought he was commander flavor was

854
00:37:44,820 --> 00:37:43,540
talking about it where you know they

855
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:44,830
would come out and they were finding

856
00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:48,250
that I didn't see the bending backwards

857
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:50,020
part of it but that's I mean that's

858
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:52,810
really I would say insignificant the

859
00:37:57,150 --> 00:37:55,330
fact that there were protrusions coming

860
00:38:00,210 --> 00:37:57,160
up in the bottom kind of like I you know

861
00:38:01,950 --> 00:38:00,220
they would go down but he he said they

862
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:01,960
were kind of like a L shape I saw

863
00:38:09,090 --> 00:38:04,720
straight down and but other than that

864
00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:09,100
what you see on the video that there was

865
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:13,240
a lot more to the videos to the video as

866
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:16,210
far as the movements the erratic turning

867
00:38:21,780 --> 00:38:17,920
they're going from one place to another

868
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:21,790
and you know Gary had had mentioned it

869
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:24,640
when we were out in Laughlin about how

870
00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:26,410
this thing would just go from point A to

871
00:38:32,490 --> 00:38:28,950
point B like it would you may think area

872
00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:32,500
Kevin but you know wherever it was it

873
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,790
made a decision to go from point A to

874
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:35,680
point B it went from the speed that it

875
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:37,330
started to the speed that it needed to

876
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:40,320
get there and then stopped on a dime and

877
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:43,990
you know the maneuvers are saying was

878
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:49,210
making was incredible with no sonic

879
00:38:56,910 --> 00:38:52,720
booms just Kevin yeah the question I've

880
00:39:01,090 --> 00:38:56,920
got is and I guess since you saw like a

881
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,100
longer version correct and we're seeing

882
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:03,920
short version you know typically like

883
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:06,410
you know when the DoD releases stopping

884
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:08,570
and they'll go and edit it or they'll

885
00:39:12,460 --> 00:39:10,190
cut out like you know the metadata

886
00:39:14,350 --> 00:39:12,470
associated with it or though you know

887
00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:14,360
there might be somebody that's talking

888
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:16,790
and they mention a pilot's name or

889
00:39:22,210 --> 00:39:19,280
something of that nature is there any

890
00:39:24,190 --> 00:39:22,220
reason why we don't have the longer one

891
00:39:28,030 --> 00:39:24,200
in your opinion that would you know that

892
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:28,040
the other part was classified or I'm not

893
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:30,050
I'm not perfect at that so I really

894
00:39:36,010 --> 00:39:32,690
couldn't answer that maybe Kevin or Gary

895
00:39:38,770 --> 00:39:36,020
could as you know the reason why but I I

896
00:39:41,410 --> 00:39:38,780
wouldn't know that answer no I was just

897
00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:41,420
curious if you if you knew anything I

898
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:43,670
mean like problems go ahead anybody

899
00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:46,640
wanna if is Gary if I had to guess

900
00:39:52,450 --> 00:39:49,070
because they the extent of the

901
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:52,460
capabilities of the craft uni you were

902
00:39:59,590 --> 00:39:56,410
the physicist right yeah well we've got

903
00:40:02,140 --> 00:39:59,600
now the small tip yeah you could speed

904
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:02,150
out the tube there you know a lot of a

905
00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:03,890
lot of a lot of information but if you

906
00:40:10,780 --> 00:40:07,720
actually got to see how this thing moved

907
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:10,790
then being able to actually figure out

908
00:40:15,130 --> 00:40:13,310
the numbers of you know and and look at

909
00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:15,140
the way it was engineered and the way it

910
00:40:20,020 --> 00:40:17,300
was moving it would have been a lot more

911
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,030
data for you to crunch in a lot more

912
00:40:24,310 --> 00:40:21,680
numbers and a lot more specifics on its

913
00:40:26,860 --> 00:40:24,320
actual capabilities with the full video

914
00:40:28,570 --> 00:40:26,870
rather than the small snippet it's kind

915
00:40:31,890 --> 00:40:28,580
of like you're just gonna wet your

916
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:31,900
whistle yeah it exists and then stop

917
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:34,250
yeah well it's certainly winter whistle

918
00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:50,730
we're getting some breaking up here

919
00:40:56,890 --> 00:40:55,359
where we try like look at that and do

920
00:40:58,720 --> 00:40:56,900
and a lot of people asked about that at

921
00:41:02,290 --> 00:40:58,730
our conference we had as well yeah I

922
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,300
think mostly it's just to just keep the

923
00:41:11,170 --> 00:41:04,880
full capabilities of the craft a secret

924
00:41:12,700 --> 00:41:11,180
yeah okay from what I saw in there I

925
00:41:14,020 --> 00:41:12,710
mean like what you guys are talking

926
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:14,030
about now if you could actually see the

927
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,710
full video when they were chasing this

928
00:41:20,740 --> 00:41:17,119
thing to intercept it to cut you know

929
00:41:21,970 --> 00:41:20,750
that the way that it was cutting and it

930
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,980
was amazing I mean it was absolutely

931
00:41:26,290 --> 00:41:24,560
amazing to see something move like that

932
00:41:30,130 --> 00:41:26,300
when you you know right here on earth

933
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:30,140
you know insane this is Kevin if if I

934
00:41:34,210 --> 00:41:31,910
had to speculate on answer and that's

935
00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:34,220
all I'm doing and speculating is that

936
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:36,440
that video is in the same place with the

937
00:41:48,609 --> 00:41:46,089
because I'm guessing that the the video

938
00:41:57,310 --> 00:41:48,619
the video movers strongly correlate with

939
00:41:59,020 --> 00:41:57,320
the radar and PJ they wanted that stuff

940
00:42:01,599 --> 00:41:59,030
pretty quick they must have gotten our

941
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,609
word somehow that all this information

942
00:42:06,070 --> 00:42:03,200
was available and they move very very

943
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,080
rapidly to get it well is how fast they

944
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:08,000
they reacted you also have to remember

945
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:10,010
we were tracking these things for like

946
00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:11,599
over a week I mean they could have

947
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:14,990
gotten to every every portion of the

948
00:42:22,349 --> 00:42:16,730
entire government by the time we

949
00:42:24,849 --> 00:42:22,359
actually did the intercept sure we

950
00:42:26,829 --> 00:42:24,859
openly talking about it I mean what

951
00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:26,839
would in their word somebody listening

952
00:42:29,470 --> 00:42:28,430
in like your maybe your security officer

953
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,480
or something like that would have been

954
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:31,280
overhearing it and saying hey we had

955
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:34,250
something or how do you think that were

956
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:35,839
leave it I don't even think it would be

957
00:42:40,990 --> 00:42:38,720
like that unofficial I think it was just

958
00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:41,000
it would just be completely reported up

959
00:42:46,030 --> 00:42:43,700
and then you know as it got filtered

960
00:42:47,530 --> 00:42:46,040
through just the PD people that we're

961
00:42:50,349 --> 00:42:47,540
dealing with it would deal with it here

962
00:42:52,210 --> 00:42:50,359
kick this over to a to kick this over to

963
00:42:53,380 --> 00:42:52,220
did it you know and then they do good

964
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:53,390
then they did start heading out and

965
00:42:59,120 --> 00:42:54,690
doing their thing

966
00:43:01,960 --> 00:42:59,130
and these guys do it incident reports or

967
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:01,970
something like stat reps don't you

968
00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:04,380
well Kevin now you had talked about at

969
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:06,180
least considering doing an opera 3

970
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:07,950
report at what point I remember you're

971
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:09,660
talking about that when you were on with

972
00:43:14,330 --> 00:43:10,530
us last time

973
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:14,340
but you decided not to do that combat

974
00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:16,980
and uh it was my it was my feeling that

975
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:18,900
Captain Smith was not gonna release some

976
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:20,310
message but I was gonna put one together

977
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:23,010
anyway so I went up to combat the lead

978
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:26,040
technician helped me he had saved a copy

979
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:28,440
of the radar data when he wasn't

980
00:43:32,090 --> 00:43:29,970
supposed to I think anyway we bruised

981
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:32,100
dessert observed that and that's how I

982
00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:34,170
know this maneuvers happened in 0.78

983
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:36,150
seconds by the way and also something

984
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:38,130
else interesting happened we record all

985
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:39,900
of our external communications onto

986
00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:42,060
optical discs well all those

987
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:46,140
communications were gone they nothing

988
00:44:01,460 --> 00:43:47,970
was there and uh at that point I just

989
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,470
kind of threw up my hand I don't know if

990
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:04,560
anybody can hear me but I wanted to go

991
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:06,810
ahead and ask a question Frank can you

992
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,310
hear me yep I can hear you

993
00:44:13,220 --> 00:44:11,040
ok the question I have is what is your

994
00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:13,230
everybody's take regarding the History

995
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:14,700
Channel's unidentified show which I

996
00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:17,790
believe Kevin day has been on anybody

997
00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:23,070
want to go ahead and pipe in on that too

998
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:28,110
Gary okay wonderful this is Patrick PA

999
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:30,660
I'll be perfectly honest with you other

1000
00:44:37,340 --> 00:44:32,520
than watching Kevin and Gary's part I

1001
00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:37,350
haven't seen any of the show it's been

1002
00:44:40,700 --> 00:44:39,300
good it's been a really good show I've

1003
00:44:42,830 --> 00:44:40,710
been very pleased with it

1004
00:44:44,890 --> 00:44:42,840
Kevin I'd tell us a little bit about

1005
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:44,900
your experience appearing on the show I

1006
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,060
was so surprised I was so much a part of

1007
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:49,920
episode 3 I kind of figured I'd make

1008
00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:51,810
like maybe 1 or 2 minutes and the rest

1009
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:54,270
ended up on the cutting room floor but

1010
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:56,970
it was you know I live in a real small

1011
00:45:02,030 --> 00:45:00,480
town so it's hard to go into town now

1012
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:02,040
without people like pointing and stuff

1013
00:45:06,650 --> 00:45:04,770
my life changed because of that show

1014
00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:06,660
yeah I could tell you that

1015
00:45:13,789 --> 00:45:11,880
I don't think unlike am I get a little

1016
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:13,799
bit bigger town but I live in podunk and

1017
00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:14,910
you know other than people just saying

1018
00:45:21,859 --> 00:45:18,980
hey sorry on TV that's about it but uh

1019
00:45:24,049 --> 00:45:21,869
but I've been following it I found Blue

1020
00:45:25,339 --> 00:45:24,059
Book for entertaining but I'm looking

1021
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:25,349
forward to seeing with the conclusion of

1022
00:45:30,799 --> 00:45:27,089
this is whether it's gonna be just you

1023
00:45:33,620 --> 00:45:30,809
know mostly good publicity and you know

1024
00:45:36,380 --> 00:45:33,630
them trying make a buck off the stories

1025
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:36,390
I I uh I went to see some actual

1026
00:45:46,220 --> 00:45:38,700
something happen from it then I'll be

1027
00:45:48,769 --> 00:45:46,230
happy yes please before we went out to

1028
00:45:50,539 --> 00:45:48,779
sea and it was above my security

1029
00:45:52,249 --> 00:45:50,549
clearance at the time but apparently we

1030
00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:52,259
I just heard in the last couple of weeks

1031
00:45:59,749 --> 00:45:55,230
or so that the person had received a

1032
00:46:03,819 --> 00:45:59,759
major firm or firmware update to our spy

1033
00:46:08,509 --> 00:46:03,829
and CC system and that kind of treatment

1034
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:08,519
I'm thinking you know that stuff is

1035
00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:13,440
probably talking about just you can just

1036
00:46:18,259 --> 00:46:16,230
basically say that our systems were just

1037
00:46:20,749 --> 00:46:18,269
they were stay there at that time they

1038
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:20,759
were a an experimental baseline and

1039
00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:22,680
that's about all we can talk about the

1040
00:46:28,099 --> 00:46:25,079
specifics on what was on the ship what

1041
00:46:30,589 --> 00:46:28,109
wasn't on the ship this is rich I mean

1042
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:30,599
basically you know you guys come back

1043
00:46:35,029 --> 00:46:33,210
and you get retrofitted and upgrade

1044
00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:35,039
there's always upgrades to equipment

1045
00:46:40,940 --> 00:46:38,430
going on even in the army weapon systems

1046
00:46:42,769 --> 00:46:40,950
that we have you know so it's no

1047
00:46:44,359 --> 00:46:42,779
surprise that when you come back to pour

1048
00:46:46,279 --> 00:46:44,369
or something like that you go through

1049
00:46:49,700 --> 00:46:46,289
upgrades and then they test the upgrades

1050
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,710
and exercises but the larger point here

1051
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:51,599
the larger point I think I'm trying to

1052
00:46:56,299 --> 00:46:53,940
make is I think that's the reason I was

1053
00:46:57,890 --> 00:46:56,309
able to see these things suddenly in my

1054
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:57,900
opinion they probably had long been

1055
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,359
there but I could now suddenly see them

1056
00:47:05,180 --> 00:47:02,880
and I also think it explains why there's

1057
00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:05,190
so many reports now because the whole

1058
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:09,630
fleet has possibly got this upgrade now

1059
00:47:14,359 --> 00:47:12,750
we're we're sending this guy that we

1060
00:47:15,890 --> 00:47:14,369
couldn't see before and I think big

1061
00:47:17,269 --> 00:47:15,900
Eddie I think big Navy was just as

1062
00:47:18,650 --> 00:47:17,279
shocked as I was and that explains

1063
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:18,660
people running out to the ships and

1064
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:19,760
gathering all the data

1065
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:22,970
as quickly as they did yeah this is rich

1066
00:47:26,500 --> 00:47:24,710
again I want to inject and say the same

1067
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:26,510
kind of thing I think with our increased

1068
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:29,570
capabilities of you know that we are now

1069
00:47:36,550 --> 00:47:32,720
able or even even the equipment that we

1070
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:36,560
have on the Roosevelt is was upgraded to

1071
00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:39,050
the point where the capabilities of the

1072
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:41,869
radar is able to discern even better a

1073
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:44,480
lot of things that it might not have

1074
00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:47,359
bought so the equipment keeps getting

1075
00:47:52,359 --> 00:47:49,790
better and better I think we're able to

1076
00:47:54,910 --> 00:47:52,369
to catch these things now and

1077
00:47:57,250 --> 00:47:54,920
distinguish them a lot better the

1078
00:47:58,810 --> 00:47:57,260
aircraft certainly the f-18 Hornets have

1079
00:48:01,630 --> 00:47:58,820
been Super Hornets have been upgraded

1080
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:01,640
with all kinds of advanced capabilities

1081
00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:03,170
now so I think that you're you're

1082
00:48:08,140 --> 00:48:05,270
absolutely right I think that it's it's

1083
00:48:10,990 --> 00:48:08,150
the factor of the technology has now so

1084
00:48:15,069 --> 00:48:11,000
vastly improved that we're able to now

1085
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:15,079
discern and separate out you know these

1086
00:48:20,530 --> 00:48:18,170
type of objects and you know in the past

1087
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:20,540
we've had radar we've had another kind

1088
00:48:24,849 --> 00:48:22,670
of things that have got got these things

1089
00:48:28,089 --> 00:48:24,859
but even the radar has been not

1090
00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:28,099
necessarily valuable or accurate all the

1091
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:29,990
time too and the older Raider I'm the

1092
00:48:35,530 --> 00:48:32,270
older cases what I'm talking about

1093
00:48:38,650 --> 00:48:35,540
but yeah it's it is a factor and it's

1094
00:48:41,290 --> 00:48:38,660
very important did you guys experience

1095
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:41,300
anything else I mean you went from from

1096
00:48:46,690 --> 00:48:44,480
that TTS a went over to other exercise

1097
00:48:49,089 --> 00:48:46,700
you were probably deployed or but did

1098
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:49,099
you ever run across anything anywhere

1099
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:53,210
else or like this or no well I I haven't

1100
00:48:58,839 --> 00:48:55,430
I actually left the service pretty

1101
00:49:05,349 --> 00:48:58,849
quickly after we we hope we got back was

1102
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:05,359
well underway with this but other it's

1103
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:14,050
it's it's been oh I did need to abridge

1104
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:17,210
something and after we're done that this

1105
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:20,480
top you need to talk about my original

1106
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:22,430
statements that would be great you're

1107
00:49:27,099 --> 00:49:24,609
welcome to talk about it now if you wish

1108
00:49:29,740 --> 00:49:27,109
all right so I've gotten in contact with

1109
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:29,750
one of the leading the leading petty

1110
00:49:33,339 --> 00:49:32,329
officers that were that was in charge of

1111
00:49:35,259 --> 00:49:33,349
the sonar that day

1112
00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:35,269
and I was able to confirm that the

1113
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:39,049
Princeton itself never had any active on

1114
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:44,329
a submerged vehicle when I heard when I

1115
00:49:48,789 --> 00:49:46,609
was told about a an active track in the

1116
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:48,799
submerged vehicle that it wasn't this

1117
00:49:52,930 --> 00:49:50,569
particular sonar technician it was a

1118
00:49:54,759 --> 00:49:52,940
different technician and he directly

1119
00:49:56,109 --> 00:49:54,769
told me that we did have tracks but he

1120
00:50:00,219 --> 00:49:56,119
didn't specify whether it was the

1121
00:50:02,799 --> 00:50:00,229
Princeton or the the Nimitz or the

1122
00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:02,809
submarine so I've got no clue where that

1123
00:50:07,029 --> 00:50:05,390
source was from and that's what I've

1124
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:07,039
been trying very hard to track down

1125
00:50:12,089 --> 00:50:07,910
myself

1126
00:50:16,359 --> 00:50:12,099
but that particular person is renaming

1127
00:50:18,130 --> 00:50:16,369
staying as the unnamed sonar technician

1128
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:18,140
due to the fact it doesn't want us his

1129
00:50:25,089 --> 00:50:22,609
name associated with this but he with a

1130
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:25,099
shadowed he basically he said two things

1131
00:50:30,279 --> 00:50:28,400
he said a he didn't have any active

1132
00:50:32,949 --> 00:50:30,289
tracks the entire week on the Princeton

1133
00:50:34,089 --> 00:50:32,959
itself and B if anybody told me that

1134
00:50:35,769 --> 00:50:34,099
they would have had to gotten the whole

1135
00:50:38,620 --> 00:50:35,779
gotten a hold of somebody from the other

1136
00:50:40,539 --> 00:50:38,630
ships on their own because during their

1137
00:50:42,189 --> 00:50:40,549
own duties on watch they would have

1138
00:50:44,799 --> 00:50:42,199
never actually been in contact with any

1139
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:44,809
of the other ships so that's that's

1140
00:50:47,859 --> 00:50:46,249
that's part of my story that I'm

1141
00:50:49,630 --> 00:50:47,869
actually trying to track the person that

1142
00:50:52,749 --> 00:50:49,640
told me down which I haven't been able

1143
00:50:54,459 --> 00:50:52,759
to get ahold of yet so know that that is

1144
00:50:59,189 --> 00:50:54,469
the abridged version of the underwater

1145
00:51:01,180 --> 00:50:59,199
tracks that's good Gary

1146
00:51:02,979 --> 00:51:01,190
understood I did have a question from

1147
00:51:05,469 --> 00:51:02,989
Earl Gray who's the chief investigator

1148
00:51:08,799 --> 00:51:05,479
for a MUFON in Southern California

1149
00:51:10,449 --> 00:51:08,809
chapter he said this kevin day wrote in

1150
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:10,459
his short story about the nimitz affair

1151
00:51:13,449 --> 00:51:11,839
that there were some wear defects that

1152
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:13,459
he noticed on the radar deck of the

1153
00:51:18,279 --> 00:51:15,410
princeton while they were tracking the

1154
00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:18,289
tic-tac i asked him about this he thinks

1155
00:51:22,539 --> 00:51:20,839
there's an intelligence from ET contact

1156
00:51:25,269 --> 00:51:22,549
that is contagious so to speak

1157
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:25,279
contagious intelligence and perhaps what

1158
00:51:28,809 --> 00:51:26,569
he witnessed on the radar deck had

1159
00:51:29,890 --> 00:51:28,819
something to do with this that the crew

1160
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:29,900
was literally being changed

1161
00:51:35,529 --> 00:51:31,849
psychologically and intelligence wise by

1162
00:51:38,799 --> 00:51:35,539
their contact with et intelligence Kevin

1163
00:51:41,709 --> 00:51:38,809
do you have any comments about that I do

1164
00:51:44,019 --> 00:51:41,719
Jacques Vallee and dr. Eric Davis did a

1165
00:51:45,219 --> 00:51:44,029
paper and I forget the exact name of

1166
00:51:47,260 --> 00:51:45,229
someone helped me out if they you can

1167
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:47,270
remember it I think it's called

1168
00:51:50,350 --> 00:51:49,130
the high string just increments or

1169
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:50,360
ability or something like that

1170
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:52,160
and basically what it does is outlined

1171
00:51:59,140 --> 00:51:55,730
six different layers a phenomena that

1172
00:52:01,210 --> 00:51:59,150
happens with UAP encounters and a couple

1173
00:52:03,609 --> 00:52:01,220
of those layers I believe there are four

1174
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:03,619
or five and six the fourth one is

1175
00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:05,570
physical changes to people that

1176
00:52:11,890 --> 00:52:09,430
encounter these things the fifth one is

1177
00:52:13,690 --> 00:52:11,900
psychological changes that happens to

1178
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:13,700
people and then the the the very last

1179
00:52:17,170 --> 00:52:15,650
one is social changes which is what

1180
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:17,180
we're all observed in happening right

1181
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:19,250
now and I think there's something to it

1182
00:52:22,540 --> 00:52:21,050
I it's been and well documented that

1183
00:52:26,830 --> 00:52:22,550
people that come in contact with this

1184
00:52:29,950 --> 00:52:26,840
phenomenon their life bifurcates that

1185
00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:29,960
changes them and it's part of the

1186
00:52:32,109 --> 00:52:31,700
mystery here why does it why does that

1187
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:32,119
happen

1188
00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:34,130
I don't know but I can tell you that it

1189
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,900
does I was profoundly affected by this

1190
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:37,760
thing we don't have enough time now to

1191
00:52:41,740 --> 00:52:39,530
go into all of it but at some later time

1192
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:41,750
I'd like to talk about that yeah I'm

1193
00:52:46,030 --> 00:52:44,030
gonna post a link to that paper in the

1194
00:52:48,730 --> 00:52:46,040
chat so people yeah a closer look at it

1195
00:52:51,070 --> 00:52:48,740
it's available there I wanted to just

1196
00:52:52,510 --> 00:52:51,080
talk about the topic of UFOs in

1197
00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:52,520
consciousness just for a moment and

1198
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:54,590
that's a hot topic that everybody's been

1199
00:53:00,849 --> 00:52:56,960
talking about probably for I don't know

1200
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:00,859
50 or maybe 60 years now rich do you

1201
00:53:05,170 --> 00:53:03,170
have any comments regarding that topic I

1202
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:05,180
know that you and grant talked about it

1203
00:53:09,609 --> 00:53:07,730
on another program but you have any

1204
00:53:11,770 --> 00:53:09,619
comments regarding the scientific aspect

1205
00:53:13,170 --> 00:53:11,780
of that or is there any science to it

1206
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:13,180
whatsoever

1207
00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:16,730
well I mean consciousness study I mean

1208
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:19,220
you know people have a difficulty trying

1209
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:20,000
to even figure out what what

1210
00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:22,490
consciousness is I mean you know how do

1211
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:25,400
how do basic like cells and even if you

1212
00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:26,960
get down to the quantum level how does

1213
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:28,550
that work in terms of you having a

1214
00:53:34,570 --> 00:53:30,910
conscious and how do you interpret that

1215
00:53:38,410 --> 00:53:34,580
there there has always been some types

1216
00:53:40,330 --> 00:53:38,420
of let's put it this way cycle a post

1217
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:40,340
experience or kinds of effects with

1218
00:53:45,849 --> 00:53:43,250
people we've had that with reported

1219
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:45,859
cases as well if you take a look at if

1220
00:53:51,370 --> 00:53:47,930
you want to accept that the abduction

1221
00:53:54,780 --> 00:53:51,380
phenomena is indeed happening you're

1222
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:54,790
talking about people being spoken with

1223
00:54:00,910 --> 00:53:58,010
flying telepathy they're hearing the the

1224
00:54:03,610 --> 00:54:00,920
conversation in their head you also

1225
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:03,620
have the situation where people are

1226
00:54:08,290 --> 00:54:05,930
allegedly floating through buildings and

1227
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,300
various other things are they really

1228
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:10,720
doing that from the physical standpoint

1229
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:13,370
there's the impact of the individual

1230
00:54:17,890 --> 00:54:15,530
that that is in the bed next to them

1231
00:54:21,580 --> 00:54:17,900
that is cotton some sort of like

1232
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:21,590
suspended whatever you know so I mean

1233
00:54:26,740 --> 00:54:23,210
the consciousness and how we interpret

1234
00:54:29,350 --> 00:54:26,750
reality is definitely always going to be

1235
00:54:32,020 --> 00:54:29,360
a factor and everything and and so I

1236
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,030
mean these guys are all witnessing this

1237
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:34,640
phenomena by their consciousness you

1238
00:54:38,860 --> 00:54:36,530
know and I guess what I'm trying to get

1239
00:54:42,250 --> 00:54:38,870
at is I'm you know it's not something

1240
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:42,260
that we necessarily studied we we tended

1241
00:54:46,450 --> 00:54:45,110
to look at the hard science behind it if

1242
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:46,460
you would the physics and stuff like

1243
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:49,850
that but you know trying to explain a

1244
00:54:55,210 --> 00:54:52,850
this phenomena and I know that Jacque

1245
00:54:57,370 --> 00:54:55,220
Malay wants to put it in the context of

1246
00:54:59,410 --> 00:54:57,380
for example that it might be an

1247
00:55:01,390 --> 00:54:59,420
interdimensional kind of thing or it

1248
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:01,400
might be tied to consciousness and Eric

1249
00:55:05,770 --> 00:55:03,170
Davis and there's a whole host of people

1250
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:05,780
like Gary Nolan are also looking into it

1251
00:55:12,340 --> 00:55:08,290
and I applaud them for doing it that

1252
00:55:17,110 --> 00:55:12,350
science for that standpoint has not yet

1253
00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:17,120
come to grips with something but again I

1254
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,220
mean from the standpoint of this

1255
00:55:23,140 --> 00:55:21,200
particular phenomena and how do you sort

1256
00:55:24,850 --> 00:55:23,150
there or separate this phenomena from

1257
00:55:28,330 --> 00:55:24,860
just life in general

1258
00:55:30,910 --> 00:55:28,340
you know I mean so was the object out

1259
00:55:33,250 --> 00:55:30,920
there manipulating the consciousness of

1260
00:55:34,990 --> 00:55:33,260
flavor or was it you know and I where do

1261
00:55:38,770 --> 00:55:35,000
you how do you inject that was it

1262
00:55:41,170 --> 00:55:38,780
impacting you know Kevin day we don't

1263
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:41,180
have any way even to measure or identify

1264
00:55:46,570 --> 00:55:43,930
that it is usually just an experience

1265
00:55:48,130 --> 00:55:46,580
that people talk about some people don't

1266
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:48,140
even talk about it because it's too

1267
00:55:53,620 --> 00:55:51,650
weird you know in it weirds out when you

1268
00:55:56,050 --> 00:55:53,630
talk to somebody else about it because

1269
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:56,060
they're not as open about it but I mean

1270
00:56:02,040 --> 00:55:58,970
these impacts or this these experiences

1271
00:56:05,470 --> 00:56:02,050
from the standpoint of the individuals

1272
00:56:08,290 --> 00:56:05,480
psychological or how they you know

1273
00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:08,300
they're the impacts of that they don't

1274
00:56:14,110 --> 00:56:10,310
want to talk about in general and UFO

1275
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:14,120
cases and we don't learn much thank you

1276
00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:14,930
for that right

1277
00:56:20,980 --> 00:56:19,070
PJ Aaron Jason did you experience any

1278
00:56:23,620 --> 00:56:20,990
high strangeness after this event in

1279
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:23,630
your lives after having been exposed to

1280
00:56:33,940 --> 00:56:31,370
it I didn't have anything beyond you

1281
00:56:35,110 --> 00:56:33,950
know just a normal life afterwards and

1282
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:35,120
that's what I was sitting here thinking

1283
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:38,090
like you know if this does happen maybe

1284
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:41,410
it doesn't affect people the same way or

1285
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:44,210
you know each individual person has

1286
00:56:56,410 --> 00:56:53,330
their own experience I know for this is

1287
00:56:58,300 --> 00:56:56,420
Carrie I know for me if that so much

1288
00:57:00,460 --> 00:56:58,310
stuff happened that I don't know whether

1289
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:00,470
it was a UFO or just normal life

1290
00:57:05,230 --> 00:57:01,970
experiences that have changed the way

1291
00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:05,240
I've seen things in the world but I've

1292
00:57:11,650 --> 00:57:07,270
definitely had a dramatic change from

1293
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:11,660
before that day and today but like I

1294
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:12,770
said I don't know what to really

1295
00:57:19,090 --> 00:57:16,250
attribute that to we do have a question

1296
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:19,100
from Shane Hurd who is a investigator

1297
00:57:25,330 --> 00:57:22,670
from the Phoenix MUFON chapter and he

1298
00:57:27,690 --> 00:57:25,340
asked if you're allowed to say did you

1299
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:27,700
or have you ever experienced any

1300
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:31,010
activity before after the nimitz

1301
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:32,810
incident I think he means of some kind

1302
00:57:38,290 --> 00:57:34,850
of anomalous event maybe similar to what

1303
00:57:46,170 --> 00:57:38,300
you all were exposed to can anyone give

1304
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:46,180
any input regarding that topic I had

1305
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:48,650
what I can only describe his daytime

1306
00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:50,570
visions that helped me find a huge

1307
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:51,950
deposit of gold back here in the

1308
00:57:57,940 --> 00:57:56,330
wilderness I'm not I'm not and I'm not a

1309
00:58:00,130 --> 00:57:57,950
geologist you know my family had that

1310
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:00,140
mine back there since the 1930s and I

1311
00:58:05,260 --> 00:58:02,000
became obsessed with this idea that I

1312
00:58:06,670 --> 00:58:05,270
could find it and I did I did although

1313
00:58:07,810 --> 00:58:06,680
we're never gonna mind it cuz it's in

1314
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:07,820
the wilderness and we're not going to

1315
00:58:11,340 --> 00:58:09,920
have food and we're not going to give

1316
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:11,350
your address out either

1317
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:21,280
yeah just regarding that topic is

1318
00:58:25,870 --> 00:58:23,810
anybody hot go ahead Frank oh yeah I

1319
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:25,880
just don't wanted to jump in and talk

1320
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:28,310
about how you guys went

1321
00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:30,110
public with all this what was that what

1322
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:32,390
was that process and you know how were

1323
00:58:36,970 --> 00:58:34,970
you contacted and told that the hey yeah

1324
00:58:40,270 --> 00:58:36,980
we want to hear more about this was it

1325
00:58:41,740 --> 00:58:40,280
that was day baby or no I dropped I

1326
00:58:44,530 --> 00:58:41,750
dropped a note on Robert Powell's

1327
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:44,540
YouTube video right after December 17th

1328
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:47,090
happened okay and he contacted me and

1329
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:48,710
that's how this whole thing started at

1330
00:59:02,800 --> 00:58:53,890
least for me personally okay and PJ I

1331
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:02,810
ran into babies and I sent him an email

1332
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:10,730
based on that and yeah sorry about that

1333
00:59:16,180 --> 00:59:12,890
Jason how did you get involved in all

1334
00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:16,190
this more directly mine was the same way

1335
00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:19,940
I saw the original version that David

1336
00:59:30,910 --> 00:59:26,830
you know I like to come out and talk

1337
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:30,920
about it see where we go since we're

1338
00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:33,170
giving shoutouts shout out the day bTW

1339
00:59:37,930 --> 00:59:35,380
cuz I tell you what his video has really

1340
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:37,940
really helped people come forward and I

1341
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:39,200
don't know we'd all be sitting here

1342
00:59:42,670 --> 00:59:40,910
right now without without what he did

1343
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:42,680
I really don't and the other guy I'd

1344
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:43,850
like to give a shout out to this Dave

1345
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:45,890
Altman he's the agent of Hollywood that

1346
00:59:50,620 --> 00:59:47,210
is helping me out because I started

1347
00:59:53,230 --> 00:59:50,630
getting so many requests and swap I'm

1348
00:59:57,210 --> 00:59:53,240
just stood we appreciate you coming on

1349
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,820
they're helping us I did want to mention

1350
01:00:03,820 --> 01:00:02,240
that I did actually have the privilege

1351
01:00:05,470 --> 01:00:03,830
and honor of interviewing Dave Beatty

1352
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:05,480
last week for about an hour and a half

1353
01:00:10,810 --> 01:00:08,480
and he did get to talk extensively about

1354
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:10,820
his nimitz encounter film and how it's

1355
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:12,530
actually changed over a period of time

1356
01:00:16,780 --> 01:00:14,690
and the reasons why he was very candid

1357
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:16,790
about that and that is gonna be a part

1358
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:18,530
two to this show that we will have so in

1359
01:00:21,820 --> 01:00:20,330
other words when this show ends we're

1360
01:00:24,550 --> 01:00:21,830
actually gonna go ahead and post that

1361
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:24,560
part to which special report regarding

1362
01:00:28,690 --> 01:00:26,450
Dave Beatty and rich Hoffman I was going

1363
01:00:30,370 --> 01:00:28,700
to ask you what was your response to

1364
01:00:34,020 --> 01:00:30,380
Dave Beatty's on the mid Singh counter

1365
01:00:37,740 --> 01:00:34,030
film what are your thoughts on that oh

1366
01:00:40,060 --> 01:00:37,750
my god I loved it I mean I you know we

1367
01:00:42,070 --> 01:00:40,070
when we deal with cases you know

1368
01:00:44,020 --> 01:00:42,080
typically it's hard for us to have

1369
01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:44,030
during you know to where we can you know

1370
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:45,950
have something in other quality that he

1371
01:00:51,700 --> 01:00:49,520
did in terms of the video to show you

1372
01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:51,710
know how how did this actually happen I

1373
01:00:56,020 --> 01:00:54,350
mean I work with Dave I'm sure that

1374
01:00:57,940 --> 01:00:56,030
other guys and we're all working with

1375
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:57,950
them to try to get this as precise as

1376
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:01,280
possible and that's the thing I

1377
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:03,410
appreciated about Dave is that he was

1378
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:05,570
not you know let me just make a picture

1379
01:01:09,970 --> 01:01:07,610
and you know and let me just do this and

1380
01:01:11,830 --> 01:01:09,980
put this story together he really tried

1381
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:11,840
to get every little detail and every

1382
01:01:19,150 --> 01:01:14,810
little nuance and an accurate and and

1383
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:19,160
that was fabulous and so I you know we

1384
01:01:24,070 --> 01:01:22,310
don't often have that and then usually

1385
01:01:25,420 --> 01:01:24,080
what happens is when Hollywood or

1386
01:01:27,940 --> 01:01:25,430
something like that goes out and tries

1387
01:01:30,130 --> 01:01:27,950
to tell the story on shows they do an

1388
01:01:33,450 --> 01:01:30,140
abysmal job of making the renderings and

1389
01:01:36,460 --> 01:01:33,460
they add now additional problematic data

1390
01:01:38,890 --> 01:01:36,470
where they don't do it accurately and

1391
01:01:41,890 --> 01:01:38,900
now everybody that sees the video thinks

1392
01:01:43,570 --> 01:01:41,900
that that's the way UFOs operate or that

1393
01:01:46,330 --> 01:01:43,580
that's the way that they look or that

1394
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:46,340
and it's totally wrong and they get it

1395
01:01:53,140 --> 01:01:48,710
wrong periodic and so I appreciate Dave

1396
01:01:55,630 --> 01:01:53,150
to the nth degree and PJ yeah you would

1397
01:01:57,340 --> 01:01:55,640
dimension a interesting new witness son

1398
01:01:58,540 --> 01:01:57,350
that you wanted to share so why don't

1399
01:02:02,290 --> 01:01:58,550
you jump in and that tell us all about

1400
01:02:05,740 --> 01:02:02,300
that yeah a little more than a week ago

1401
01:02:08,890 --> 01:02:05,750
Dave got an email he ended up forwarding

1402
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:08,900
to me and I don't have mission to share

1403
01:02:14,770 --> 01:02:10,930
the guy's name or anything so I'm long

1404
01:02:17,050 --> 01:02:14,780
but I've pretty much verified most of

1405
01:02:19,090 --> 01:02:17,060
what he had to tell me so I'm pretty

1406
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:19,100
sure he's a legitimate witness but he's

1407
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:23,570
actually a an operation specialist from

1408
01:02:29,590 --> 01:02:25,730
the Nimitz and he was telling Dave and I

1409
01:02:31,330 --> 01:02:29,600
about a meeting that appeared at a place

1410
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:31,340
called Simmons hall which is on the ASW

1411
01:02:39,010 --> 01:02:37,010
base in San Diego where he stated the

1412
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:39,020
pilots some people from the Princeton

1413
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:42,050
and some other people were all there and

1414
01:02:48,070 --> 01:02:44,930
they were told and I'm gonna quote his

1415
01:02:50,170 --> 01:02:48,080
line hey we don't know what that was but

1416
01:02:53,890 --> 01:02:50,180
just in case you should not talk about

1417
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:53,900
it like I said that's the the first we'd

1418
01:02:57,810 --> 01:02:55,520
heard about

1419
01:03:01,030 --> 01:02:57,820
and in meeting or anything taking place

1420
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:01,040
after the ship's pull back in I've been

1421
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:02,650
able to verify who's actually been there

1422
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:06,890
but the rest of cow if it's the same

1423
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:08,210
meeting he's talking about I was there

1424
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:11,119
and that's another verification we got

1425
01:03:19,030 --> 01:03:14,570
yeah but that also tells us that Nimitz

1426
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,040
was I said he was I'm not gonna share

1427
01:03:24,490 --> 01:03:21,680
what he was track you know but they were

1428
01:03:27,820 --> 01:03:24,500
tracking it on the Nimitz his own radar

1429
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:27,830
along with all the data links which the

1430
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:29,570
Princeton and the Hawkeye wasn't sharing

1431
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:32,720
anyways yeah Kevin if he can tell us who

1432
01:03:36,310 --> 01:03:34,250
put the meeting together or was that

1433
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:36,320
there something that came from above

1434
01:03:41,460 --> 01:03:38,210
down or was that there something that

1435
01:03:44,710 --> 01:03:41,470
kind of had you know sort of a a

1436
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:44,720
groundswell amongst you guys doing your

1437
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:47,690
jobs on the ship we were gonna do the

1438
01:03:52,359 --> 01:03:49,850
meeting anyway because we often do post

1439
01:03:54,220 --> 01:03:52,369
meetings after exercises to do like go

1440
01:03:57,220 --> 01:03:54,230
over lessons learned and come up with

1441
01:03:58,840 --> 01:03:57,230
ideas for better stuff later and because

1442
01:04:00,160 --> 01:03:58,850
this happened it became a topic of the

1443
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:00,170
conference chasing while we were there

1444
01:04:07,930 --> 01:04:01,850
we would have had the meeting anyway

1445
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:07,940
it's standard routine for us yeah what

1446
01:04:17,859 --> 01:04:15,170
was the result of the meeting Wow yeah I

1447
01:04:19,690 --> 01:04:17,869
mean even then in that room knowing no

1448
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,700
one really understood what we hit all

1449
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:21,920
this we had all just witnessed we didn't

1450
01:04:30,250 --> 01:04:23,510
even know what to how to make sense of

1451
01:04:32,740 --> 01:04:30,260
it at the time I had had a question from

1452
01:04:35,890 --> 01:04:32,750
a high profile person in the UFO

1453
01:04:37,870 --> 01:04:35,900
community who had asked we need ask you

1454
01:04:39,010 --> 01:04:37,880
all question actually he sent a series

1455
01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:39,020
of questions but I'll go ahead and ask

1456
01:04:42,430 --> 01:04:40,609
one of them now I'm gonna start off with

1457
01:04:45,250 --> 01:04:42,440
rich Hoffman to see if he knows about

1458
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:45,260
this topic that this well-known person

1459
01:04:48,910 --> 01:04:47,359
wanted to ask he asked are you aware of

1460
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:48,920
the huge database of pilot sightings

1461
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:51,680
built up over several decades by dr.

1462
01:04:57,340 --> 01:04:55,250
Richard Haines at NASA rich oh sure I

1463
01:05:00,670 --> 01:04:57,350
mean dr. Haines that an incredible job

1464
01:05:03,099 --> 01:05:00,680
of collecting this in our cap so I mean

1465
01:05:05,470 --> 01:05:03,109
and and you know they're talking about

1466
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:05,480
this from the context of you know this

1467
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:07,730
threat if you would the fact that we

1468
01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:09,310
have objects that were out there

1469
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:12,190
that were you know getting up within our

1470
01:05:17,070 --> 01:05:14,110
exercises and we have objects that are

1471
01:05:19,980 --> 01:05:17,080
doing this or that dr. Haynes has done

1472
01:05:22,170 --> 01:05:19,990
for an incredible job overall though for

1473
01:05:24,510 --> 01:05:22,180
decades of documenting all the

1474
01:05:27,810 --> 01:05:24,520
commercial pilots kinds of things that

1475
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:27,820
come forward and and his big thing was

1476
01:05:33,810 --> 01:05:29,530
getting those reports where there's a

1477
01:05:37,230 --> 01:05:33,820
safety or a flight safety issue I'm in

1478
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:37,240
in 2010 2013 for example I had a case

1479
01:05:44,580 --> 01:05:42,610
where four foot object-- that was you

1480
01:05:47,070 --> 01:05:44,590
know it was basically like a disc shaped

1481
01:05:50,370 --> 01:05:47,080
object that came underneath the wing of

1482
01:05:52,380 --> 01:05:50,380
an aircraft like a Cessna and it's right

1483
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:52,390
underneath its wingtip as it's flying

1484
01:05:57,300 --> 01:05:54,610
along well these are concerns you know I

1485
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:57,310
mean so from a flight safety standpoint

1486
01:06:00,570 --> 01:05:58,960
you've got to be concerned about it at

1487
01:06:03,180 --> 01:06:00,580
the same time if you look at the East

1488
01:06:04,980 --> 01:06:03,190
Coast encounter if you're a flying it

1489
01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:04,990
like say twenty-eight thousand feet or

1490
01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:06,430
something like that and you've got this

1491
01:06:12,030 --> 01:06:09,280
object that's whizzing by that you know

1492
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:12,040
you could have hit that's a big concern

1493
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:15,850
so I mean yeah Norah gnarrk cap and dick

1494
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:18,640
Cates I in fact we conduct we contacted

1495
01:06:24,090 --> 01:06:21,010
him a lot about even the Aguadilla case

1496
01:06:25,710 --> 01:06:24,100
that we studied yeah I just wanted to

1497
01:06:27,150 --> 01:06:25,720
read a little bit about his bio just so

1498
01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:27,160
folks know I'm talking about and then

1499
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:29,260
also I included a link into the chat

1500
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:31,330
area so folks can actually click on that

1501
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:33,520
and see a little bit about doctor

1502
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:35,680
Richard Haines he was born raised in

1503
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:38,460
Seattle Washington and he worked at NASA

1504
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:42,250
from 67 to 86 as a research scientist in

1505
01:06:48,570 --> 01:06:46,050
numerous astronautical topics and

1506
01:06:50,490 --> 01:06:48,580
aeronautical as well and he retired from

1507
01:06:52,620 --> 01:06:50,500
the government service in 88 and he also

1508
01:06:54,510 --> 01:06:52,630
taught at San Jose State University as

1509
01:06:56,460 --> 01:06:54,520
associate professor of psychology and so

1510
01:07:00,420 --> 01:06:56,470
on and then the other thing I wanted to

1511
01:07:02,970 --> 01:07:00,430
mention is he has a extensive article

1512
01:07:05,820 --> 01:07:02,980
that is titled a review of selected

1513
01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:05,830
sightings from aircraft from 73 to 78

1514
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:09,720
and then another one that it has is a

1515
01:07:15,150 --> 01:07:12,160
review of selected aerial phenomenon

1516
01:07:20,010 --> 01:07:15,160
sightings from aircraft from 1942 to

1517
01:07:23,070 --> 01:07:20,020
1952 and then there's there's many but

1518
01:07:24,900 --> 01:07:23,080
he has a quite lengthy are

1519
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:24,910
dedicated to the topics that we're

1520
01:07:28,350 --> 01:07:26,770
talking about here and sounds like he's

1521
01:07:31,350 --> 01:07:28,360
dedicated quite a bit of his life to

1522
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:31,360
this topic which is quite interesting

1523
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:33,850
the other yeah let me jump in here and

1524
01:07:37,830 --> 01:07:35,890
make one quick point about to air safety

1525
01:07:41,130 --> 01:07:37,840
in general and folks who are in the

1526
01:07:42,510 --> 01:07:41,140
business are fanatics about safety you

1527
01:07:44,970 --> 01:07:42,520
know it's part of the reason why air

1528
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:44,980
travel is so safe but on the civilian

1529
01:07:49,740 --> 01:07:47,170
commercial side and literally everything

1530
01:07:52,620 --> 01:07:49,750
imaginable that could be a threat is

1531
01:07:55,410 --> 01:07:52,630
regarded as a threat birds I think Sully

1532
01:07:58,860 --> 01:07:55,420
Sullenberger would agree that the birds

1533
01:08:01,560 --> 01:07:58,870
can be a potential hazard or air travel

1534
01:08:04,350 --> 01:08:01,570
weather obviously any kind of a pilot

1535
01:08:06,930 --> 01:08:04,360
distraction is categorized in the threat

1536
01:08:10,670 --> 01:08:06,940
error management protocols as a

1537
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:10,680
potential threat to your air safety so

1538
01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:12,970
literally anything and everything could

1539
01:08:16,230 --> 01:08:14,470
be and certainly UFOs even though

1540
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:16,240
they're not specifically mentioned could

1541
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:18,010
easily be just by providing a

1542
01:08:23,550 --> 01:08:20,410
distraction to a pilot that could be a

1543
01:08:24,690 --> 01:08:23,560
potential risk so now there yet the

1544
01:08:26,820 --> 01:08:24,700
folks who were in that business

1545
01:08:29,460 --> 01:08:26,830
take care safety very seriously and I'm

1546
01:08:39,270 --> 01:08:29,470
I'm sure the same applies over in in

1547
01:08:41,010 --> 01:08:39,280
terms of the military as well the San

1548
01:08:42,750 --> 01:08:41,020
Clemente expedition that's now just

1549
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:42,760
getting work and getting proposed if if

1550
01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:44,080
there's anyone out there listening that

1551
01:08:48,329 --> 01:08:46,600
wants more information on that or maybe

1552
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:48,339
even potentially wants to help us fund

1553
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:51,130
it please contact chant Hannah and

1554
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:53,049
she'll contact me and we'll make that

1555
01:08:58,559 --> 01:08:55,810
happen absolutely and you can contact me

1556
01:08:59,940 --> 01:08:58,569
at chat Hannah at hotmail.com and can

1557
01:09:01,230 --> 01:08:59,950
you just repeat that one more time so

1558
01:09:03,450 --> 01:09:01,240
people can hear what you just said in

1559
01:09:05,490 --> 01:09:03,460
case they missed it yeah we're proposing

1560
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:05,500
to do an expedition we're gonna anchor

1561
01:09:11,789 --> 01:09:07,930
off San Clemente Island off the coast of

1562
01:09:13,559 --> 01:09:11,799
San Diego and because we suspect we know

1563
01:09:15,539 --> 01:09:13,569
where these UAP are coming from where

1564
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:15,549
are they going to and also what time of

1565
01:09:19,890 --> 01:09:16,810
the year they're doing it we think it's

1566
01:09:20,970 --> 01:09:19,900
based on the migration of whales we're

1567
01:09:22,559 --> 01:09:20,980
gonna go out there and just see if it

1568
01:09:24,180 --> 01:09:22,569
happens we're gonna listen to the water

1569
01:09:25,710 --> 01:09:24,190
we're gonna listen for whale songs and

1570
01:09:29,329 --> 01:09:25,720
we're gonna try to correlate anything

1571
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:29,339
you see in this guy with the whale songs

1572
01:09:33,150 --> 01:09:32,049
it's an all-volunteer crew it's not a

1573
01:09:36,539 --> 01:09:33,160
profit-making thing

1574
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:36,549
it's an expedition of Discovery only

1575
01:09:40,140 --> 01:09:38,170
that definitely sounds like something

1576
01:09:41,700 --> 01:09:40,150
that's worth contributing to and you're

1577
01:09:43,530 --> 01:09:41,710
welcome to talk about that topic at any

1578
01:09:45,480 --> 01:09:43,540
time our show at length if you want to

1579
01:09:47,190 --> 01:09:45,490
and we're not in any rush we're here for

1580
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:47,200
you all today so interrupt us at any

1581
01:09:52,170 --> 01:09:49,450
time and talk about any topics you feel

1582
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:52,180
are relevant the other question that

1583
01:09:56,430 --> 01:09:53,920
this gentleman wanted to ask you all is

1584
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:56,440
he had a few but one of them is while

1585
01:10:00,450 --> 01:09:58,480
any advanced technology of unknown

1586
01:10:02,310 --> 01:10:00,460
origin is a potential threat do you

1587
01:10:04,050 --> 01:10:02,320
think the UA PS you encountered or a

1588
01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:04,060
threat at this time

1589
01:10:10,710 --> 01:10:09,070
can anyone chime in on that topic I this

1590
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:10,720
is Kevin I think there a threat from

1591
01:10:14,340 --> 01:10:12,490
this from this one perspective and

1592
01:10:17,790 --> 01:10:14,350
that's really as far much as I'll say

1593
01:10:19,770 --> 01:10:17,800
about it what if the 2004 encounter

1594
01:10:21,930 --> 01:10:19,780
happened off the coast of

1595
01:10:23,820 --> 01:10:21,940
fill-in-the-blank country when there are

1596
01:10:26,970 --> 01:10:23,830
hostilities and I do have missiles to

1597
01:10:29,070 --> 01:10:26,980
shoot what happens for an overreactor

1598
01:10:30,450 --> 01:10:29,080
pilot this is oh my god oh my god I'm

1599
01:10:32,340 --> 01:10:30,460
being engaged I'm in I'm being engage

1600
01:10:34,770 --> 01:10:32,350
like commander forever did only this

1601
01:10:36,780 --> 01:10:34,780
time they actually shoot a missile damn

1602
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:36,790
man we could start a war without even

1603
01:10:45,410 --> 01:10:41,440
trying to in that right right there is a

1604
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:50,280
this and start training the watch

1605
01:10:53,580 --> 01:10:52,330
standers and the pilots and their stuff

1606
01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:53,590
in our skies and we don't know what the

1607
01:10:56,820 --> 01:10:55,270
hell it is I'm glad you brought that up

1608
01:10:58,410 --> 01:10:56,830
because that's a good segue to a topic

1609
01:10:59,220 --> 01:10:58,420
that seems to be hitting the news

1610
01:11:01,170 --> 01:10:59,230
recently

1611
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:01,180
and I'd like everybody's input on that

1612
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:03,690
is that it seems like it's become more

1613
01:11:07,650 --> 01:11:06,010
normal so to speak for pilots to be able

1614
01:11:10,290 --> 01:11:07,660
come forward and talk about anomalous

1615
01:11:17,850 --> 01:11:10,300
objects in the sky is that true can

1616
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:17,860
anybody give input on that topic I mean

1617
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:19,810
me personally I think it's honestly all

1618
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:22,090
atactic just kind of desensitize the

1619
01:11:26,340 --> 01:11:23,920
public to it and normalize it so that

1620
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:26,350
it's just not a big deal anymore just a

1621
01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:29,170
kind of a different way of suppressing

1622
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:32,260
it do you expect other pilots and

1623
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:33,520
support crew to come forward in the

1624
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:34,090
future

1625
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:37,360
anyone regarding anomalous objects in

1626
01:11:50,730 --> 01:11:47,490
think on the commercial side apply the

1627
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:50,740
private pilot's I think a lot of

1628
01:11:56,010 --> 01:11:53,650
are doing it there's the stigma is

1629
01:11:58,290 --> 01:11:56,020
starting to leave that's associated with

1630
01:12:00,440 --> 01:11:58,300
it so I think the more that we talk

1631
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:00,450
about it the more that it becomes

1632
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:04,510
relevant everyday flight operations I

1633
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:06,640
think we will see a lot more people

1634
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:10,210
coming forward especially on the the

1635
01:12:17,190 --> 01:12:13,030
private side and more so on the

1636
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:17,200
commercial side rich go ahead please

1637
01:12:23,940 --> 01:12:19,120
no this is rich I just learned it to say

1638
01:12:27,810 --> 01:12:23,950
one thing that you know in my decades of

1639
01:12:30,570 --> 01:12:27,820
this thing you know it's only just

1640
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:30,580
within the this recent announcement

1641
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:32,530
about the Roosevelt and the fact that

1642
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:35,280
you've ever seen active-duty military

1643
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:39,850
who have come forward with a story you

1644
01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:42,880
know we typically get retirees in fact

1645
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:45,190
I'm gonna be giving a presentation on

1646
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:48,130
UFOs here in Huntsville to a group of

1647
01:12:52,650 --> 01:12:50,890
Vietnam veterans and and typically like

1648
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:52,660
when you give these lectures you talk to

1649
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:54,730
people they're willing to talk about it

1650
01:12:58,740 --> 01:12:56,530
after the fact they're out of service

1651
01:13:00,570 --> 01:12:58,750
they can talk about I don't know I saw

1652
01:13:01,260 --> 01:13:00,580
something back and one you know and

1653
01:13:03,540 --> 01:13:01,270
that's okay

1654
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:03,550
it's rare that you get somebody gets

1655
01:13:08,370 --> 01:13:05,770
still active duty and wearing the green

1656
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:08,380
suit that can come forward publicly and

1657
01:13:14,730 --> 01:13:12,010
say that they saw an object that they

1658
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:14,740
couldn't identify that it outmaneuvered

1659
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:16,960
them and you know there was more of a

1660
01:13:23,820 --> 01:13:20,530
UFO so this is a this is a huge huge

1661
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:23,830
change and I'm just thrilled to death

1662
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:26,050
the fact that you know now you got that

1663
01:13:31,620 --> 01:13:29,050
stigma that's going away which would

1664
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:31,630
allow for conversations to happen and

1665
01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:35,440
and now for scientists to get engaged

1666
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:37,630
and feel like they can come out and talk

1667
01:13:45,660 --> 01:13:40,480
about it without being laughed at and so

1668
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:45,670
this is a huge change okay guys I want

1669
01:13:49,620 --> 01:13:47,530
to make a point that is that we have

1670
01:13:51,180 --> 01:13:49,630
Kevin canoe thinker Nolan who are

1671
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:51,190
willing to come out publicly and talk

1672
01:13:55,470 --> 01:13:54,400
about the topic of ufology rich how do

1673
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:55,480
you feel about that

1674
01:14:00,180 --> 01:13:56,770
could you please touch on that just a

1675
01:14:02,910 --> 01:14:00,190
little bit more well know I'm thrilled I

1676
01:14:04,919 --> 01:14:02,920
met with Karen Knuth and he also brought

1677
01:14:07,380 --> 01:14:04,929
with him dr. Matthews

1678
01:14:10,050 --> 01:14:07,390
Vegas who's like a very knowledgeable

1679
01:14:12,090 --> 01:14:10,060
individual and a professor at the same

1680
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:12,100
school that he is that does dark energy

1681
01:14:18,510 --> 01:14:15,850
and dark matter studies and when I met

1682
01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:18,520
with dr. Knuth you know he was

1683
01:14:23,370 --> 01:14:21,310
presenting at the SU conference we had

1684
01:14:25,850 --> 01:14:23,380
this was about the week before that the

1685
01:14:28,740 --> 01:14:25,860
the guys got together at in Nevada but

1686
01:14:32,010 --> 01:14:28,750
we and I was we were hoping that they

1687
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:32,020
could all come by Glee a but anyway the

1688
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:35,440
situation was that that you know he said

1689
01:14:40,410 --> 01:14:37,840
it's still a challenge in fact dr.

1690
01:14:44,939 --> 01:14:40,420
Matthew Sudeikis said he's willing to

1691
01:14:49,020 --> 01:14:44,949
join us you possibly after he graduates

1692
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:49,030
from some sort of degree or again or no

1693
01:14:53,370 --> 01:14:51,330
he was he had to wait until he got his

1694
01:14:58,080 --> 01:14:53,380
where they call that when you have your

1695
01:15:01,979 --> 01:14:58,090
tenure okay yeah tenure that he's

1696
01:15:02,430 --> 01:15:01,989
willing to then do that you get what I'm

1697
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:02,440
saying

1698
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:06,159
oh yeah so I mean and that's got a

1699
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:09,130
change and I guess cases like you know

1700
01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:11,770
this and the fact that it's now coming

1701
01:15:16,919 --> 01:15:13,480
out and being open and Lee openly

1702
01:15:20,130 --> 01:15:16,929
discussed is now allowing them to have

1703
01:15:22,860 --> 01:15:20,140
those conversations and it not being

1704
01:15:24,419 --> 01:15:22,870
laughed at that they can talk about it

1705
01:15:26,490 --> 01:15:24,429
and and that's gonna be the change

1706
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:26,500
that's going on even where I work in a

1707
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:28,330
DoD and stuff like that you know we're

1708
01:15:32,370 --> 01:15:30,370
having I got more people coming up and

1709
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:32,380
talking to me about UFOs of course my

1710
01:15:37,140 --> 01:15:34,210
whole whole cube is decked out and you

1711
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:37,150
have both paraphernalia but but you know

1712
01:15:41,580 --> 01:15:39,010
I mean more and more people are coming

1713
01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:41,590
forward and and yeah that's great we

1714
01:15:45,450 --> 01:15:43,480
want that and now what I was gonna ask

1715
01:15:47,459 --> 01:15:45,460
you at rich and really anybody who wants

1716
01:15:49,709 --> 01:15:47,469
to respond it's a pretty obvious that

1717
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:49,719
with the graves and our coin the two

1718
01:15:53,149 --> 01:15:51,250
pilots in the Roosevelt case coming

1719
01:15:55,770 --> 01:15:53,159
forward while still on active duty

1720
01:15:57,959 --> 01:15:55,780
they're getting the okay internally to

1721
01:16:02,610 --> 01:15:57,969
do that they're not just doing it on

1722
01:16:04,740 --> 01:16:02,620
their own yeah well yeah and that made

1723
01:16:06,540 --> 01:16:04,750
me speculate I'm sure that the other

1724
01:16:08,010 --> 01:16:06,550
guys and the Navy would we'd probably

1725
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:08,020
say the same thing but you know it's

1726
01:16:11,010 --> 01:16:09,760
like usually like announcements like

1727
01:16:12,689 --> 01:16:11,020
this they've got to go to the public

1728
01:16:13,979 --> 01:16:12,699
affairs office and the public affairs

1729
01:16:16,919 --> 01:16:13,989
office has got a

1730
01:16:19,799 --> 01:16:16,929
prove you going on TV and talking about

1731
01:16:21,330 --> 01:16:19,809
the you know something like this and I

1732
01:16:23,549 --> 01:16:21,340
and I don't know if that coordination

1733
01:16:26,129 --> 01:16:23,559
happened or I mean somehow they got that

1734
01:16:29,239 --> 01:16:26,139
approved I'd love to know the backstory

1735
01:16:31,919 --> 01:16:29,249
that you know but anyway it's it's great

1736
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:31,929
that you've got to active duty coming

1737
01:16:37,589 --> 01:16:35,440
forward and more power to do them and I

1738
01:16:39,330 --> 01:16:37,599
hope more the Berrier we're enjoying a

1739
01:16:40,620 --> 01:16:39,340
question I had a question for rich and

1740
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:40,630
that is can you envision a full

1741
01:16:44,970 --> 01:16:42,489
congressional hearing specifically for

1742
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:44,980
military pilots who have had you ap

1743
01:16:50,759 --> 01:16:47,920
encounters or possibly other personnel

1744
01:16:53,459 --> 01:16:50,769
on the ground or can you touch on that

1745
01:16:55,919 --> 01:16:53,469
topic well sure I mean Lou and them have

1746
01:16:58,379 --> 01:16:55,929
been meeting with and and Chris Mel and

1747
01:17:00,720 --> 01:16:58,389
have been pushing for that kind of thing

1748
01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:00,730
to happen they've been working with and

1749
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:04,360
they got senator you know Warren Warner

1750
01:17:08,370 --> 01:17:06,880
out of Virginia and I think that they

1751
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:08,380
met with a couple other senators and I

1752
01:17:13,169 --> 01:17:10,690
think that with the fact that these

1753
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:13,179
these gentlemen are all coming forward

1754
01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:15,489
it lends that conversation and make a

1755
01:17:20,129 --> 01:17:18,369
you know credence and the intelligence

1756
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:20,139
subcommittees are probably having

1757
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:22,210
conversations about it and I think that

1758
01:17:27,330 --> 01:17:25,210
that's that's gonna make a big change

1759
01:17:29,310 --> 01:17:27,340
and so yeah I wouldn't be surprised that

1760
01:17:31,830 --> 01:17:29,320
we're gonna see congressional hearings I

1761
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:31,840
mean when they're done talking about

1762
01:17:37,529 --> 01:17:34,960
other things of course but we'll see

1763
01:17:41,279 --> 01:17:37,539
we'll see that happen and that evidence

1764
01:17:44,430 --> 01:17:41,289
being brought forward and now for the

1765
01:17:47,009 --> 01:17:44,440
the guys say here the Navy is really

1766
01:17:50,189 --> 01:17:47,019
taking the lead on this particular issue

1767
01:17:52,140 --> 01:17:50,199
and as former Navy guys you guys taking

1768
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:52,150
any sense of pride in that that the Navy

1769
01:17:56,399 --> 01:17:54,090
is kind of leading the way on all this

1770
01:17:58,739 --> 01:17:56,409
Kevin day sure is I'll tell you that I

1771
01:18:02,189 --> 01:17:58,749
am so damn proud of my Navy right now I

1772
01:18:03,670 --> 01:18:02,199
could hug it no I'm still just trying to

1773
01:18:03,690 --> 01:18:03,680
figure out where we have other branches

1774
01:18:17,279 --> 01:18:03,700
[Laughter]

1775
01:18:18,839 --> 01:18:17,289
advanced Marines all right Roger I have

1776
01:18:20,910 --> 01:18:18,849
a family full of army people just so

1777
01:18:24,299 --> 01:18:20,920
everybody knows I have another question

1778
01:18:26,939 --> 01:18:24,309
that is from that individual so last

1779
01:18:27,450 --> 01:18:26,949
question he has for you all he said I

1780
01:18:29,070 --> 01:18:27,460
know this

1781
01:18:31,229 --> 01:18:29,080
is a bit sensitive so let me ask this

1782
01:18:33,810 --> 01:18:31,239
way are you comfortable with the

1783
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:33,820
explanation these you APs being reported

1784
01:18:38,100 --> 01:18:35,890
are controlled by non-human intelligence

1785
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:38,110
from elsewhere assuming that's true

1786
01:18:43,020 --> 01:18:41,050
again can you envision a full I'm sorry

1787
01:18:44,940 --> 01:18:43,030
and are you comfortable with the

1788
01:18:47,670 --> 01:18:44,950
explanation these you ApS being reported

1789
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:47,680
are controlled by non-human intelligence

1790
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:48,880
from elsewhere

1791
01:18:55,470 --> 01:18:52,090
can anyone chime in on that topic Kevin

1792
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:55,480
this is Kevin um okay you know you said

1793
01:18:59,190 --> 01:18:57,760
if it's true right yeah sure if it's

1794
01:19:02,000 --> 01:18:59,200
true I don't think it matters what I

1795
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:02,010
think about it because it is what it is

1796
01:19:07,290 --> 01:19:04,410
it doesn't really care what I think

1797
01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:07,300
although I have to say I'm not convinced

1798
01:19:14,220 --> 01:19:08,920
that's what's happening my mind is open

1799
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:14,230
on that question okay why because I

1800
01:19:18,660 --> 01:19:16,930
don't haven't I'm still waiting for

1801
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:18,670
evidence like a lot of other people you

1802
01:19:24,660 --> 01:19:23,050
know and I faith faith is fine and faith

1803
01:19:26,490 --> 01:19:24,670
is good but it can't be the only thing

1804
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:26,500
you should have some evidence to go

1805
01:19:30,209 --> 01:19:27,850
along with your faith I have to think

1806
01:19:34,860 --> 01:19:30,219
okay so I'm gonna ask a question that

1807
01:19:36,990 --> 01:19:34,870
some might feel as outrageous or not not

1808
01:19:40,020 --> 01:19:37,000
correct but I'll ask it anyway is it

1809
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:40,030
possible that the the craft if it was

1810
01:19:46,830 --> 01:19:42,690
that that you all saw was one of ours

1811
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:46,840
this is a PJ and I actually leaned on

1812
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:48,489
the side offense that it's initially our

1813
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:50,650
technology I hope it's ours but then in

1814
01:19:58,110 --> 01:19:55,600
earthbound technology versus offworld

1815
01:19:59,820 --> 01:19:58,120
technology but if it turns out to be

1816
01:20:02,220 --> 01:19:59,830
something from outer space or from

1817
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:02,230
another planet I'm deeply happy to see

1818
01:20:10,110 --> 01:20:06,730
that - and as scary I mean I I leaned

1819
01:20:12,209 --> 01:20:10,120
towards our own tech for now and I say

1820
01:20:15,090 --> 01:20:12,219
that is because you know being in a

1821
01:20:18,030 --> 01:20:15,100
service at the time 15 years ago I mean

1822
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:18,040
I've seen the emergence of the tech that

1823
01:20:23,850 --> 01:20:21,040
we're using today as commonplace would

1824
01:20:26,820 --> 01:20:23,860
be science fiction just 15 years ago you

1825
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:26,830
know and so I mean just because we can't

1826
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:28,480
imagine how it works right now doesn't

1827
01:20:34,260 --> 01:20:30,239
mean that we didn't already develop it

1828
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:34,270
and then on top of that if it's not and

1829
01:20:39,660 --> 01:20:37,570
so if this is non earth-based tech I

1830
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:39,670
honestly don't care I just wanna know

1831
01:20:43,250 --> 01:20:40,770
how it works

1832
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:43,260
okay so is it true to say cuz I've heard

1833
01:20:49,070 --> 01:20:46,650
this topic bounced around and I don't

1834
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:49,080
know the accuracy of it and that is that

1835
01:20:54,230 --> 01:20:51,930
the military is always supposedly 20

1836
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:54,240
years ahead in the technology compared

1837
01:21:00,410 --> 01:20:57,840
to the public sector is that true I so

1838
01:21:04,730 --> 01:21:00,420
as I know one of the small crafts it's

1839
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:04,740
now not class the UAV wasp that we were

1840
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:07,440
using as a aerial reconnaissance vehicle

1841
01:21:13,780 --> 01:21:11,610
for VBSS it's a vertical base ik Elise

1842
01:21:17,210 --> 01:21:13,790
boarding other ships during the Gulf War

1843
01:21:21,230 --> 01:21:17,220
and we were using it to reconnaissance

1844
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:21,240
those other ships I mean that was at

1845
01:21:26,420 --> 01:21:23,970
least 15 years old before I even saw it

1846
01:21:28,910 --> 01:21:26,430
on I saw it on a TV show on the

1847
01:21:30,350 --> 01:21:28,920
Discovery Channel so I mean and I could

1848
01:21:32,450 --> 01:21:30,360
say without a shadow of a doubt at least

1849
01:21:34,190 --> 01:21:32,460
15 years ahead of what we got now

1850
01:21:41,090 --> 01:21:34,200
probably a whole lot more when it comes

1851
01:21:43,490 --> 01:21:41,100
to advanced tech this is that was the

1852
01:21:45,020 --> 01:21:43,500
with the advances of AI and super

1853
01:21:47,390 --> 01:21:45,030
computers that we have that we've been

1854
01:21:50,780 --> 01:21:47,400
working on you know you say that it you

1855
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:50,790
know they was all I was thinking on its

1856
01:21:57,380 --> 01:21:54,480
own this is what AI does and and so I

1857
01:21:59,930 --> 01:21:57,390
would also lean toward it's ours however

1858
01:22:00,850 --> 01:21:59,940
hope it's ours but if it's not whose is

1859
01:22:03,380 --> 01:22:00,860
it

1860
01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:03,390
what is the reasoning reasoning behind

1861
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:04,860
it what are we doing with it what are

1862
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:08,730
they doing with it you know so yeah I

1863
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:10,320
like to look at the supercomputer side

1864
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:12,810
of things and think about it that way

1865
01:22:18,260 --> 01:22:16,800
that it can do things on its own yeah I

1866
01:22:20,270 --> 01:22:18,270
mean we've already had we've already had

1867
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:20,280
scientists that shut down a eyes because

1868
01:22:25,010 --> 01:22:21,450
they weren't happy with what direction

1869
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:25,020
they were going in I mean it's DJ this

1870
01:22:35,570 --> 01:22:31,890
is the stuff we have it's ridiculous I

1871
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:35,580
mean we have planes that have AI that

1872
01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:37,050
will land themselves on carrier

1873
01:22:43,460 --> 01:22:39,900
you know it's limited on AI technology

1874
01:22:45,730 --> 01:22:43,470
but it's there the stuff that we can do

1875
01:22:49,970 --> 01:22:45,740
and some of it we can't talk about is

1876
01:22:52,220 --> 01:22:49,980
remarkable oh yeah we're ahead and not

1877
01:22:54,379 --> 01:22:52,230
to leave the UFO community behind but

1878
01:22:58,890 --> 01:22:54,389
you know I mean if

1879
01:23:00,929 --> 01:22:58,900
if UFOs do exist that means that we

1880
01:23:03,359 --> 01:23:00,939
probably did have a craft that was down

1881
01:23:05,669 --> 01:23:03,369
they can Roswell or even before that and

1882
01:23:07,529 --> 01:23:05,679
if we had that tech I mean who says we

1883
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:07,539
haven't tried to reverse-engineer it and

1884
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:10,449
if that's just if that's true you know I

1885
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:12,400
mean I have too many theories of if

1886
01:23:17,850 --> 01:23:14,800
that's true and we could talk about all

1887
01:23:21,359 --> 01:23:17,860
of them but since this is a UFO chat

1888
01:23:24,060 --> 01:23:21,369
yeah we talk about you know give the

1889
01:23:28,259 --> 01:23:24,070
give the sci-fi geeks a little bit too

1890
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:28,269
even though we do I will say this the

1891
01:23:33,060 --> 01:23:30,249
cases that go back in the day that

1892
01:23:34,770 --> 01:23:33,070
really have a lot of similar

1893
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:34,780
characteristics I think rich will back

1894
01:23:41,580 --> 01:23:37,840
me up on this the you know hypersonic

1895
01:23:44,129 --> 01:23:41,590
speeds the maneuverability stopping on a

1896
01:23:46,589 --> 01:23:44,139
dime going straight up and down that

1897
01:23:48,989 --> 01:23:46,599
type of thing those kind of cases go

1898
01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:48,999
back you know into the late 40s and

1899
01:23:53,219 --> 01:23:51,760
early 50s and I don't think we had that

1900
01:23:55,140 --> 01:23:53,229
kind of thing it gets a little hazy or

1901
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:55,150
it gets a little trickier with more

1902
01:24:00,419 --> 01:23:58,090
contemporary cases but those cases from

1903
01:24:02,489 --> 01:24:00,429
way back when are the ones that really

1904
01:24:05,580 --> 01:24:02,499
got everybody excited including

1905
01:24:07,140 --> 01:24:05,590
government folks and it does get

1906
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:07,150
trickier these days in terms of

1907
01:24:12,299 --> 01:24:09,610
determining whether it's our tech we

1908
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:12,309
have we got this or is it that possibly

1909
01:24:19,049 --> 01:24:15,610
et but those cases have been in the

1910
01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:19,059
books for a long long time and you know

1911
01:24:24,209 --> 01:24:21,249
everything that you guys have said is of

1912
01:24:26,310 --> 01:24:24,219
course I unique to your stories but by

1913
01:24:28,949 --> 01:24:26,320
the same token we've heard a lot of

1914
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:28,959
these things in cases gone by and I rich

1915
01:24:35,310 --> 01:24:30,159
I think you probably backed me up on

1916
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:35,320
that pretty effectively you know to me

1917
01:24:39,359 --> 01:24:37,090
it's like those things when I look at

1918
01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:39,369
those pieces that are in the past you

1919
01:24:44,370 --> 01:24:41,590
know to me from the standpoint of the

1920
01:24:46,350 --> 01:24:44,380
the physics or the the maneuverability

1921
01:24:49,290 --> 01:24:46,360
of the objects and and the fact that

1922
01:24:52,259 --> 01:24:49,300
they're not impacted by inertia and you

1923
01:24:55,259 --> 01:24:52,269
know the size of UFOs the that has

1924
01:24:56,699 --> 01:24:55,269
varied over the period of history and to

1925
01:24:58,560 --> 01:24:56,709
me it's one of those things where it's

1926
01:25:01,439 --> 01:24:58,570
like you know there's always been a

1927
01:25:04,919 --> 01:25:01,449
phenomena here ultimately what any

1928
01:25:06,509 --> 01:25:04,929
military will do when it's and if you go

1929
01:25:07,799 --> 01:25:06,519
back to the Greeks doing the same thing

1930
01:25:09,929 --> 01:25:07,809
when you conquer another nation

1931
01:25:12,959 --> 01:25:09,939
you take over their technology right so

1932
01:25:15,719 --> 01:25:12,969
anytime we get any pieces arts and stuff

1933
01:25:18,750 --> 01:25:15,729
like that we take it we break it apart

1934
01:25:21,659 --> 01:25:18,760
we you're out what the metal it's or

1935
01:25:23,609 --> 01:25:21,669
whatever the material is and we re

1936
01:25:26,399 --> 01:25:23,619
reengineer it I mean we're doing that

1937
01:25:27,629 --> 01:25:26,409
here at the base here at missile Space

1938
01:25:29,159 --> 01:25:27,639
Intelligence Center where we get

1939
01:25:30,750 --> 01:25:29,169
missiles or something like that we'll

1940
01:25:32,939 --> 01:25:30,760
tear it apart figure out what it's about

1941
01:25:36,089 --> 01:25:32,949
and then see if we can't use that

1942
01:25:39,119 --> 01:25:36,099
technology so yes we're gonna do that

1943
01:25:41,849 --> 01:25:39,129
and you know and we certainly have

1944
01:25:43,529 --> 01:25:41,859
advanced from 1950 Frank and I'm

1945
01:25:45,239 --> 01:25:43,539
thinking we got a hell of a lot of smart

1946
01:25:48,869 --> 01:25:45,249
people out there so it's more than

1947
01:25:52,259 --> 01:25:48,879
likely that we are building or coming

1948
01:25:56,239 --> 01:25:52,269
very very close to the building craft

1949
01:25:59,099 --> 01:25:56,249
that can do the the tic-tac you know and

1950
01:26:00,779 --> 01:25:59,109
look at even just the patents that have

1951
01:26:03,779 --> 01:26:00,789
come out just recently that we're aware

1952
01:26:06,599 --> 01:26:03,789
of with Salvatore Pius who's now filed

1953
01:26:09,719 --> 01:26:06,609
he's in the Navy by the way going back

1954
01:26:11,729 --> 01:26:09,729
to the Navy yeah Navy these patents that

1955
01:26:13,259 --> 01:26:11,739
are out there for craft that looked like

1956
01:26:16,469 --> 01:26:13,269
that they could have the capabilities of

1957
01:26:19,559 --> 01:26:16,479
a tic-tac and so I don't think that

1958
01:26:21,839 --> 01:26:19,569
we're that far away from getting it it's

1959
01:26:24,270 --> 01:26:21,849
just a matter of you know working out

1960
01:26:25,709 --> 01:26:24,280
like you know Frank I mean even if we

1961
01:26:28,589 --> 01:26:25,719
wanted to go to Mars we have to look at

1962
01:26:30,839 --> 01:26:28,599
the logistics of moving humans but now

1963
01:26:32,489 --> 01:26:30,849
we're building drones that are self

1964
01:26:34,589 --> 01:26:32,499
autonomous they are able to fly

1965
01:26:37,979 --> 01:26:34,599
themselves go on their own missions if

1966
01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:37,989
you would so we're very close okay

1967
01:26:41,909 --> 01:26:40,510
um go ahead please oh look at the

1968
01:26:44,179 --> 01:26:41,919
nuclear drone they're about the sent to

1969
01:26:47,729 --> 01:26:44,189
Titan I mean yeah that tech is amazing

1970
01:26:50,009 --> 01:26:47,739
yeah I did have a question from Tom

1971
01:26:51,959 --> 01:26:50,019
Whitmore he's been actively involved in

1972
01:26:53,579 --> 01:26:51,969
the UFO fields since 1990 and he served

1973
01:26:57,689 --> 01:26:53,589
on the board of MUFON business board

1974
01:27:00,689 --> 01:26:57,699
since 94 he wanted to know this if

1975
01:27:02,399 --> 01:27:00,699
anybody can talk about this topic do you

1976
01:27:06,649 --> 01:27:02,409
believe the US Navy is capable of

1977
01:27:09,599 --> 01:27:06,659
tracking UFOs underwater you SOS I

1978
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:09,609
actually do have an insight about that

1979
01:27:13,409 --> 01:27:11,679
because I kind of picked the brain of a

1980
01:27:15,889 --> 01:27:13,419
sonar technician I granted this was

1981
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:15,899
based off a technology from 15 years ago

1982
01:27:20,729 --> 01:27:18,639
but from what he said unless they were

1983
01:27:21,689 --> 01:27:20,739
dragging an array which is basically a

1984
01:27:24,660 --> 01:27:21,699
super

1985
01:27:29,130 --> 01:27:24,670
arrey the drags behind the ship and so

1986
01:27:30,689 --> 01:27:29,140
they have multiple you know ways of

1987
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,699
tracking it so they're getting multiple

1988
01:27:36,030 --> 01:27:32,800
tracks in off for this raid that they

1989
01:27:39,209 --> 01:27:36,040
can't check they can't do speed or and

1990
01:27:42,030 --> 01:27:39,219
they can't tell direction or anything

1991
01:27:44,100 --> 01:27:42,040
without that array so if it's just a

1992
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:44,110
straight active sonar all they can see

1993
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:46,960
was say right it's there and now it's

1994
01:27:52,530 --> 01:27:49,570
there and now it's there they can't it's

1995
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:52,540
not reliable enough for speed I didn't

1996
01:27:56,580 --> 01:27:53,920
have another question that you all may

1997
01:27:59,280 --> 01:27:56,590
have already answered in part but I'm

1998
01:28:02,400 --> 01:27:59,290
going to answer the question in its

1999
01:28:04,500 --> 01:28:02,410
entirety from Dwight Hannah and he's

2000
01:28:06,330 --> 01:28:04,510
listening right now he said at any time

2001
01:28:08,729 --> 01:28:06,340
did the carrier group become concerned

2002
01:28:11,220 --> 01:28:08,739
about being attacked by an obvious

2003
01:28:15,689 --> 01:28:11,230
superior entity and if so what level of

2004
01:28:17,550 --> 01:28:15,699
readiness did they raise it to at no

2005
01:28:19,380 --> 01:28:17,560
time did the air defense commander feel

2006
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,390
like we were under attack in oh by the

2007
01:28:23,490 --> 01:28:21,760
way even if we had been attacked we were

2008
01:28:24,990 --> 01:28:23,500
screwed there's nothing we could have

2009
01:28:28,770 --> 01:28:25,000
done to defend ourselves against these

2010
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:28,780
things yeah if I could jump in really

2011
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:31,600
quick I've seen a number of videos taken

2012
01:28:37,070 --> 01:28:34,330
on ships of Soviet fighters really

2013
01:28:39,150 --> 01:28:37,080
buzzing our ships pretty closely and

2014
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:39,160
obviously we're not shooting at those

2015
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:41,890
guys can you tell us a little bit about

2016
01:28:48,270 --> 01:28:44,890
what it would take to get the US Navy to

2017
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:48,280
fire on you probably them taking an

2018
01:28:51,390 --> 01:28:50,110
active track on us so basically they

2019
01:28:54,060 --> 01:28:51,400
would have to have their their fire

2020
01:28:57,500 --> 01:28:54,070
control radar on and and have something

2021
01:28:59,760 --> 01:28:57,510
targeted and also the geopolitical

2022
01:29:01,470 --> 01:28:59,770
environment comes into play with that

2023
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:01,480
too because it affects our rules of

2024
01:29:11,250 --> 01:29:08,410
engagement hey this is rich just one

2025
01:29:13,260 --> 01:29:11,260
question I had you know in the blue the

2026
01:29:15,870 --> 01:29:13,270
red blue exercise you know you had of

2027
01:29:18,689 --> 01:29:15,880
course lieutenant colonel Kurth who was

2028
01:29:20,430 --> 01:29:18,699
with the the Marines you know he was

2029
01:29:23,580 --> 01:29:20,440
positioned out in the water and he

2030
01:29:25,140 --> 01:29:23,590
actually got to see the bubbling water

2031
01:29:27,930 --> 01:29:25,150
you didn't see the Tic Tac but he saw

2032
01:29:30,209 --> 01:29:27,940
the bubbling water if you would from

2033
01:29:32,820 --> 01:29:30,219
something underneath the water what was

2034
01:29:35,029 --> 01:29:32,830
there another aircraft with him in that

2035
01:29:37,490 --> 01:29:35,039
exercise that

2036
01:29:39,609 --> 01:29:37,500
or it was he just in a solo aircraft

2037
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:39,619
that he was going to be the red guy

2038
01:29:47,870 --> 01:29:43,610
they were definitely - it was a fly - -

2039
01:29:49,970 --> 01:29:47,880
yeah he almost never fly alone yeah I

2040
01:29:51,290 --> 01:29:49,980
didn't think that they would but anyway

2041
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:51,300
I was just curious we never hear about

2042
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:53,280
that the fact that the other plane was

2043
01:29:58,549 --> 01:29:55,650
that might have been out there all right

2044
01:30:01,430 --> 01:29:58,559
thank you yes I'd like to go ahead and

2045
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:01,440
ask some questions from the chat room by

2046
01:30:05,180 --> 01:30:02,250
the way

2047
01:30:06,770 --> 01:30:05,190
Gary Kevin PJ or Jason have you seen any

2048
01:30:09,410 --> 01:30:06,780
questions in the chat room you'd like to

2049
01:30:12,109 --> 01:30:09,420
address right now please yeah well I saw

2050
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:12,119
one that I was thinking of asking myself

2051
01:30:16,700 --> 01:30:14,730
and just as compared with the Navy being

2052
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:16,710
very open about all this in more recent

2053
01:30:21,589 --> 01:30:19,679
days the Air Force remaining completely

2054
01:30:23,209 --> 01:30:21,599
silent and I think that's interesting

2055
01:30:26,779 --> 01:30:23,219
and I want to get everybody's thoughts

2056
01:30:28,879 --> 01:30:26,789
on that as well no and I thought is only

2057
01:30:36,319 --> 01:30:28,889
that they faked walked outside it's not

2058
01:30:39,319 --> 01:30:36,329
air conditioning so anybody else want to

2059
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:39,329
jump in on that yeah I would okay Rick

2060
01:30:45,470 --> 01:30:41,610
this is rich I I'm aware from

2061
01:30:47,779 --> 01:30:45,480
conversation with the flu that the Air

2062
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:47,789
Force is also looking into it now again

2063
01:30:53,870 --> 01:30:50,610
in terms of getting reports so they

2064
01:30:55,879 --> 01:30:53,880
might be place since they since they

2065
01:30:57,290 --> 01:30:55,889
were like you know in Blue Book and and

2066
01:31:00,649 --> 01:30:57,300
the ramifications of Blue Book they're

2067
01:31:03,500 --> 01:31:00,659
probably playing it pretty low low-key

2068
01:31:05,779 --> 01:31:03,510
if you would but anyway they are

2069
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:05,789
supposed to be also engaged in trying to

2070
01:31:14,060 --> 01:31:10,650
do this we we did have a question from

2071
01:31:16,609 --> 01:31:14,070
de Sylvia custodial he said if they saw

2072
01:31:19,490 --> 01:31:16,619
UFOs UFO movies detected by

2073
01:31:21,319 --> 01:31:19,500
high-definition radars or photos and if

2074
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:21,329
they have not seen it if they know the

2075
01:31:27,620 --> 01:31:23,250
existence of movies from these High

2076
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:27,630
Definition UFOs well there's no movies

2077
01:31:32,509 --> 01:31:30,480
from radar data the only day only data

2078
01:31:35,810 --> 01:31:32,519
that you're gonna get for like like

2079
01:31:39,140 --> 01:31:35,820
could be kind of a movie is the CC data

2080
01:31:41,689 --> 01:31:39,150
can be extrapolated to a 3d picture but

2081
01:31:43,879 --> 01:31:41,699
it would have to be put the the data set

2082
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:43,889
would have to be applied through a

2083
01:31:47,450 --> 01:31:45,570
different program it wouldn't be just

2084
01:31:48,409 --> 01:31:47,460
through the CC that you'd be able to see

2085
01:31:50,540 --> 01:31:48,419
this stuff

2086
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:50,550
because all it does is just share the

2087
01:31:58,459 --> 01:31:56,010
data - okay there is a question that you

2088
01:32:00,409 --> 01:31:58,469
may all may not be able to answer I'm

2089
01:32:02,509 --> 01:32:00,419
going to go ahead and ask it anyway what

2090
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:02,519
if any parties confiscated information

2091
01:32:07,100 --> 01:32:04,320
regarding the incidents from the ship

2092
01:32:08,810 --> 01:32:07,110
government agency and our departments or

2093
01:32:17,389 --> 01:32:08,820
any organization of any kind

2094
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:17,399
I hear silence okay sure what if any

2095
01:32:22,060 --> 01:32:19,679
parties conference confiscated

2096
01:32:25,609 --> 01:32:22,070
information regarding the incidents

2097
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:25,619
incident / you know incident from the

2098
01:32:29,839 --> 01:32:27,449
ship government agencies or other

2099
01:32:31,279 --> 01:32:29,849
departments in other words if there is

2100
01:32:35,089 --> 01:32:31,289
any information that was confiscated

2101
01:32:40,029 --> 01:32:35,099
from the ship regarding the event that

2102
01:32:44,270 --> 01:32:40,039
you all witnessed who did that well

2103
01:32:48,020 --> 01:32:44,280
stuff but guys took my stuff when US Air

2104
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:48,030
Force flight suits the guys that came

2105
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:50,489
and took our stuff I only saw them

2106
01:32:54,859 --> 01:32:52,169
getting on and off the helicopters and

2107
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:54,869
they didn't really have I honestly it

2108
01:32:57,949 --> 01:32:56,130
was they were so plain dressed

2109
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:57,959
I don't even exactly remember what they

2110
01:33:02,629 --> 01:32:59,280
were wearing I just remember they said

2111
01:33:04,009 --> 01:33:02,639
normal civilian clothes on the part to

2112
01:33:08,089 --> 01:33:04,019
that question is they want to know what

2113
01:33:10,969 --> 01:33:08,099
information was acquired on my ship it

2114
01:33:13,069 --> 01:33:10,979
would have been all the spy-1 Bravo data

2115
01:33:15,589 --> 01:33:13,079
and all the data recordings plus

2116
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:15,599
anything that was recorded from any of

2117
01:33:20,929 --> 01:33:19,530
the consoles in combat it looks like

2118
01:33:23,060 --> 01:33:20,939
we're nearing the end of our show here I

2119
01:33:25,549 --> 01:33:23,070
wanted to ask Frank if there's any other

2120
01:33:27,529 --> 01:33:25,559
questions he had left so that I can go

2121
01:33:29,359 --> 01:33:27,539
ahead and wrap it up I could I could

2122
01:33:30,859 --> 01:33:29,369
keep going for quite a while but I think

2123
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:30,869
this is a good spot to end we got an

2124
01:33:34,129 --> 01:33:32,880
hour and a half and I think we had a

2125
01:33:35,929 --> 01:33:34,139
great shower I really I wanted the

2126
01:33:37,370 --> 01:33:35,939
opportunity go ahead and thank everybody

2127
01:33:39,049 --> 01:33:37,380
for having been on our show we have

2128
01:33:41,959 --> 01:33:39,059
Kerry for he's on with us today

2129
01:33:43,819 --> 01:33:41,969
Kevin day PJ Hughes Jason Turner and

2130
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:43,829
rich Hoffman thank you very much for

2131
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having been up on our show today we

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really appreciate your time thank you so

2133
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very very much

2134
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:55,380
thank you Frank I wanted to go ahead and

2135
01:34:02,290 --> 01:33:57,840
ask our guest this we will be having a

2136
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:02,300
mega panel a lot of

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then my seventh regarding the History

2138
01:34:07,660 --> 01:34:06,470
Channel's unidentified series and we're

2139
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:07,670
going to be doing a review of all of

2140
01:34:13,180 --> 01:34:09,170
those shows would you all like to join

2141
01:34:18,330 --> 01:34:13,190
us for that panel no that will be on

2142
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:18,340
July 7th at Sunday at noon first time

2143
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:21,050
that I won't be able to I'll be working

2144
01:34:30,340 --> 01:34:23,930
during the day okay okay this is Jason

2145
01:34:32,110 --> 01:34:30,350
not I'll be in the wood so we'll be sure

2146
01:34:33,340 --> 01:34:32,120
to I think rich Hoffman might be on that

2147
01:34:35,170 --> 01:34:33,350
show with us I don't know I have to

2148
01:34:37,150 --> 01:34:35,180
double-check with him but everybody else

2149
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:37,160
I'll be sure to contact you regarding

2150
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:39,440
that show July 7th it's gonna be a

2151
01:34:43,540 --> 01:34:40,970
review of the History Channel's

2152
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:43,550
unidentified series and I think the last

2153
01:34:47,140 --> 01:34:45,530
show for that is July 5th thank you

2154
01:34:48,820 --> 01:34:47,150
everybody for having taken the time to

2155
01:34:50,890 --> 01:34:48,830
be with us on the show today we really

2156
01:34:53,250 --> 01:34:50,900
urge everybody thanks so much thanks so

2157
01:34:56,110 --> 01:34:53,260
much it was a great shot I appreciate it

2158
01:34:58,840 --> 01:34:56,120
thanks guys all right and we're gonna

2159
01:35:00,970 --> 01:34:58,850
wrap up here join us we're gonna have a

2160
01:35:03,250 --> 01:35:00,980
little update on the Admiral Wilson

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documents at some point this week with

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some more information regarding that and

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01:35:09,940 --> 01:35:08,180
good night everybody and have a great

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01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:09,950
week and enjoy your holiday if we don't

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talk to you thanks a lot bye-bye now